Shrub 1,109 Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Trees said: It all depends how many of your riders get injured at any one time doesn't it ..... of course if you can cover with r/r and your own riders it can work well but you need luck ie the rider you lose can be covered by strong team members, you have a strong number 6 etc ..... And ever since those halcyon days people keep making excuses, saying yes but... instead of dealing with the problem. As stated, Ipswich operated 13 years without guests. It can be done. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted January 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Shrub said: And ever since those halcyon days people keep making excuses, saying yes but... instead of dealing with the problem. As stated, Ipswich operated 13 years without guests. It can be done. Were they just lucky? How often did they win the league in that time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,162 Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Trees said: Were they just lucky? How often did they win the league in that time? Who cares? The biggest issue of all for the sport (in the UK), is that "winning a league" has zero kudos, no large financial rewards, nor any meaningful media coverage... All down to its lack of credibility... With that as your starting point, it has no chance.. Indeed, any professional sport that ran with such a laughable system would get treated exactly the same... If you havent got enough riders to run seven man teams, then dont.. Instead, change the team structure to suit the supply... Eg Take two riders out from each team so you have a surplus to replace injuries and fixture clashes.. Eg Run with. Two heat leaders, two second strings, one reserve.. Riders obviously need "two jobs" it would appear, so those who ride abroad for one club can ride also for one club over here, riders who already ride for two clubs abroad dont get contracted to ride over here.. All these riders are then on stand by to temporarily replace missing riders in either league if their average fits.. Those lads not riding abroad then double up over here... There are ways you could try and change the system and make winning in UK Speedway actually mean something.. It is clear that those in charge choose not to... And quite correctly they have the right to do so, as they put their money in.. But by the same token, no one should then be surprised that the sport gets such a minimal following, with hardly any public awareness and media coverage, and cannot get "big brands" to associate itself with it... Poland know that they would be in exactly the same place as UK Speedway if it ran with our domestic operating model.. Hence, they dont.. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 Hope im proved wrong but this could be a long old season for us. Genuinely worried. We are struggling to field a team. So looks like we will be way under the points limit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 Season tickets on sale. Get them before they sell out Not sure how u can sell season tickets without knowing what we are paying for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon1983 557 Posted January 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: Hope im proved wrong but this could be a long old season for us. Genuinely worried. We are struggling to field a team. So looks like we will be way under the points limit Well Blodorn has a UK ride so he's probably riding at 6 with maybe Etheridge/Allen at 2 & 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: Season tickets on sale. Get them before they sell out Not sure how u can sell season tickets without knowing what we are paying for So it's £260 for a season ticket, which includes a free £3 programme. That's for 13 home matches If u was to pay on the day it would cost me £260. No saving what so ever. Only saving a programme but who buys them anymore 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,162 Posted January 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: Season tickets on sale. Get them before they sell out Not sure how u can sell season tickets without knowing what we are paying for "Buy One - Get A Team Place"... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinker 201 Posted January 12, 2022 Can't believe BV are struggling to field a team with the set up/track/history/reputation they have. You would think most riders would relish having the NSS as their home track. Must be all down to money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,162 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: So it's £260 for a season ticket, which includes a free £3 programme. That's for 13 home matches If u was to pay on the day it would cost me £260. No saving what so ever. Only saving a programme but who buys them anymore Never understood why clubs do the 'free programme' thing.. The Aces could knock £39 off the season ticket price. (Hell let's go mad and knock forty quid off), and the ST then becomes more worthwhile buying... And they still may sell 13 programmes.. Presume at cost price for them it isnt really three quid so they absorb it, whilst making if sound like a good offer.. But it isn't much of an offer to the many who dont ever buy a programme, so defeats the object.. Edit: Should have added "cant understand why they do ST's full stop anymore". The amount they sell cant make much difference to cash flow surely? All it does do though is negate opportunities to do some "special offers" throughout the season... Edited January 12, 2022 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,162 Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tinker said: Can't believe BV are struggling to field a team with the set up/track/history/reputation they have. You would think most riders would relish having the NSS as their home track. Must be all down to money? Maybe also down to having not much home advantage too? Most riders make their money by their home scores and the Aces seldom seem to "smash" teams at the NSS.. I would imagine also with the 'need for speed' being so prevalent there that engine maintenance costs could be higher than at some other tracks given the revs needed to compete.. It makes for cracking entertainment but we fans dont pay the (ridiculous) bills to race... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bradford Ace 183 Posted January 12, 2022 The season ticket farce shows how out of touch with reality the Management are sadly. Best facility in the country run by muppets who do not have a clue. If they’re negotiating with riders like they run the club generally then it’s no surprise that nobody wants to ride for us 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 Regarding the team. Batch ditched us late on didn't help things and then they rightly put all there eggs in tais basket. What they do now is anyone's guess. Releasing the season tickets now was very bad timing really. And over on the unofficial belle Vue Facebook fan page it's all kicking off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racerback 32 Posted January 12, 2022 season tickets gaurantee that amount of money even if you go or dont ,so if you paid for the weeks you went(maybe through illness or holidays) the club would lose money but you would retrain money so by paying upfront the club already has your money and isnt really bothered if you go or not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,156 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Never understood why clubs do the 'free programme' thing.. The Aces could knock £39 off the season ticket price. (Hell let's go mad and knock forty quid off), and the ST then becomes more worthwhile buying... And they still may sell 13 programmes.. Presume at cost price for them it isnt really three quid so they absorb it, whilst making if sound like a good offer.. But it isn't much of an offer to the many who dont ever buy a programme, so defeats the object.. Edit: Should have added "cant understand why they do ST's full stop anymore". The amount they sell cant make much difference to cash flow surely? All it does do though is negate opportunities to do some "special offers" throughout the season... Peterborough ST price is competitive and from what I have heard the take up has already exceeded last years total, ST holders got all the play offs including the final as included last season as well as a programme and inside parking, makes it very good value if attending every match. Clubs always used to be pleased with money upfront from ST as it helped with early season finances so I don’t know why more teams don’t take advantage of these. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites