cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted January 12, 2022 18 hours ago, Trees said: So you have 3 injuries, your number one, 3 and 4, you have a number 8 to use, is that it then, no guests? Or could each team nominate 2 unattached riders from a lower league and you have to use them against a top of the table team with no injuries. Foregone conclusion, fan turnout halved? The way to go? In the old NL of the 80s each team had a junior side. In times of injury rider replacement or promotion of a junior to the starting 7 was used. In the event of more than one rider being injured then a member of the junior side and rider replacement was used. Unfortunately because the sport can't run and govern it's self in a professional manner that system was never built on. In the short term yes using unattached riders or rider replacement must be the way to go. Would it massively affect attendance levels? I don't think it would it's down to the hardcore like yourself who will turn up whatever. Borrowing riders from other teams in the form of the guest system to keep teams strong has done far more to damage & reduced attendances far more than having a junior in the team ever would. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted January 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Trees said: Were they just lucky? How often did they win the league in that time? Lucky over a 13 year period that's some doing! As for winning the league 3 times and 4 knock out cups I think it was. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisdonnelly 43 Posted January 12, 2022 4 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Hope im proved wrong but this could be a long old season for us. Genuinely worried. We are struggling to field a team. So looks like we will be way under the points limit I thought tai was signing for us ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Chrisdonnelly said: I thought tai was signing for us ?. He wants to but striking a deal isn't easy. And his demands of wanting to do home matches only is a bit silly. We can't agree to that. Better to just get a 5 pointer who's committed to the club 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,014 Posted January 12, 2022 4 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: So it's £260 for a season ticket, which includes a free £3 programme. That's for 13 home matches If u was to pay on the day it would cost me £260. No saving what so ever. Only saving a programme but who buys them anymore Me, when the scoreboard isn't working and you get asked what the score is multiple times and you have to look it up on twitter lol. So I had to revert back to buying one! Normally I just rely on the scoreboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ljriley90 47 Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Regarding the team. Batch ditched us late on didn't help things and then they rightly put all there eggs in tais basket. What they do now is anyone's guess. Releasing the season tickets now was very bad timing really. And over on the unofficial belle Vue Facebook fan page it's all kicking off For me it seems the Tai deal was brought to us late, then we put all our eggs in to that basket, then its backfired Any good heat leader option will know we have tai woffinden type money floating about so we are goin to pay over the odds for whoever we bring in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedtiger 327 Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Bradford Ace said: The season ticket farce shows how out of touch with reality the Management are sadly. Best facility in the country run by muppets who do not have a clue. If they’re negotiating with riders like they run the club generally then it’s no surprise that nobody wants to ride for us Agree, what a joke this management is. They are clueless. No wonder they are losing a fortune every season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Lucky over a 13 year period that's some doing! As for winning the league 3 times and 4 knock out cups I think it was. So they were very lucky for 3 seasons and maybe a fourth ..... that's about right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: In the old NL of the 80s each team had a junior side. In times of injury rider replacement or promotion of a junior to the starting 7 was used. In the event of more than one rider being injured then a member of the junior side and rider replacement was used. Unfortunately because the sport can't run and govern it's self in a professional manner that system was never built on. In the short term yes using unattached riders or rider replacement must be the way to go. Would it massively affect attendance levels? I don't think it would it's down to the hardcore like yourself who will turn up whatever. Borrowing riders from other teams in the form of the guest system to keep teams strong has done far more to damage & reduced attendances far more than having a junior in the team ever would. But every promotion is surely striving for more than hard-core? We all know r/r works well most of the time if you have a balanced side, it's when you have more than one rider injured that it's more difficult .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,750 Posted January 12, 2022 So this thread contains posts saying that Belle Vue run a tight ship but also that they lose a fortune each season. Can't be both so which is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted January 12, 2022 My wife works for the local Vicar, he told her that he knows someone who is very close to God. Apparently we are very close to sealing a deal with some new guy from Israel, goes by the name of................Moses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,405 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, mikebv said: Who cares? The biggest issue of all for the sport (in the UK), is that "winning a league" has zero kudos, no large financial rewards, nor any meaningful media coverage... All down to its lack of credibility... With that as your starting point, it has no chance.. Indeed, any professional sport that ran with such a laughable system would get treated exactly the same... If you havent got enough riders to run seven man teams, then dont.. Instead, change the team structure to suit the supply... Eg Take two riders out from each team so you have a surplus to replace injuries and fixture clashes.. Eg Run with. Two heat leaders, two second strings, one reserve.. Riders obviously need "two jobs" it would appear, so those who ride abroad for one club can ride also for one club over here, riders who already ride for two clubs abroad dont get contracted to ride over here.. All these riders are then on stand by to temporarily replace missing riders in either league if their average fits.. Those lads not riding abroad then double up over here... There are ways you could try and change the system and make winning in UK Speedway actually mean something.. It is clear that those in charge choose not to... And quite correctly they have the right to do so, as they put their money in.. But by the same token, no one should then be surprised that the sport gets such a minimal following, with hardly any public awareness and media coverage, and cannot get "big brands" to associate itself with it... Poland know that they would be in exactly the same place as UK Speedway if it ran with our domestic operating model.. Hence, they dont.. HEY! Stop quoting my ideas from these last few years to minimise guests from other teams & use from a pool of riders instead. Also, the fact to reduce team size too(I said 6 man teams in my posts) I, also, posted this last year with the amount of riders missing, how many times r/r or guest was used. I think it was around 6-8 times r/r & 15-20+ times a guest over my checked period per week(possibly over a 2 week period. I would need to back check if I can find it). Edited January 12, 2022 by IronScorpion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,405 Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: He wants to but striking a deal isn't easy. And his demands of wanting to do home matches only is a bit silly. We can't agree to that. Better to just get a 5 pointer who's committed to the club Also, the rules are against him as he would be withholding his services for the away meetings, bringing in a 28 day ban, meaning he would miss 1 maybe 2 home meetings in that period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,925 Posted January 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Also, the rules are against him as he would be withholding his services for the away meetings, bringing in a 28 day ban, meaning he would miss 1 maybe 2 home meetings in that period. Not true, Belle Vue can ride with no facility. Woffinden wouldn't then receive a ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,226 Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Trees said: But every promotion is surely striving for more than hard-core? We all know r/r works well most of the time if you have a balanced side, it's when you have more than one rider injured that it's more difficult .... As mentioned.. Cut the number of riders per team and you have surplus... Lose a heat leader from every team for example... Those who only ride over here get to double up so have priority for a place, and given they are just riding over here you can plan in fixtures easily... The rest who currently ride in three and four countries become the adhoc temporary replacements, no doubt happy to get back over here and earn a few quid to top up their other contracts.. Or run a fit for purpose RR system... Guests are just too easy to use. That is the real reason we have them... And of course it means you can bring in ringers at the same time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
