IronScorpion 1,407 Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, KeirStarmerFan said: Not true, Belle Vue can ride with no facility. Woffinden wouldn't then receive a ban. Is this the no facility rule that Poole used in having a guest with an average 25% lower than the rider replaced? Tai would not have a bone-fide excuse , though, so further sanctions could take place. All hypothetical though, of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Trees said: So they were very lucky for 3 seasons and maybe a fourth ..... that's about right And they also only finished outside the top six twice in that period too when on average the top flight had 16-18 teams. So not to shabby with a promotion that wanted to use their own riders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Trees said: But every promotion is surely striving for more than hard-core? We all know r/r works well most of the time if you have a balanced side, it's when you have more than one rider injured that it's more difficult .... They should be yes. However they are running a model with the type of rules that mean they struggle to attract anything other than the ever decreasing hardcore fan base. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickH114 17 Posted January 12, 2022 Is Tungate available to ride in the uk this season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shrub 1,109 Posted January 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Trees said: Were they just lucky? How often did they win the league in that time? Lucky for 13 years?! They won three league titles and 4 KO Cups. And most seasons if they weren't there they were thereabouts. In '76 when they won the double they lost No.1 John Louis for six weeks due to injury and No 3 Tony Davey also missed a couple at the time due to a workshop accident yet operated R/R and double R/R instead of guests. Louis was top of the averages so in theory could have used any one as a guest. Berry took a stand as he could see the damage that guests did to the credibility of the sport. It can be done. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,234 Posted January 12, 2022 51 minutes ago, Shrub said: Lucky for 13 years?! They won three league titles and 4 KO Cups. And most seasons if they weren't there they were thereabouts. In '76 when they won the double they lost No.1 John Louis for six weeks due to injury and No 3 Tony Davey also missed a couple at the time due to a workshop accident yet operated R/R and double R/R instead of guests. Louis was top of the averages so in theory could have used any one as a guest. Berry took a stand as he could see the damage that guests did to the credibility of the sport. It can be done. And that was back in the days of No1 riders running 11 point averages and teams having 2 point reserves... A huge gap between top and bottom, and even though BP's counted then, the No1's generally didn't pick many up.. Now we have No1's running less than 7.5 point averages and 4.5 point reserves so much closer in standard, meaning even less need to replace your No1 with a guest.. Just use a better RR system, which gives riders more chance to earn money and keeps the team ethos... And, more importantly, keeps the sport credible... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,645 Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: So this thread contains posts saying that Belle Vue run a tight ship but also that they lose a fortune each season. Can't be both so which is it? Seems like your very good question has fallen on deaf ears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,234 Posted January 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Seems like your very good question has fallen on deaf ears Maybe it is "both"? ie you only lose what you planned (thus could afford) to do, by running a tight ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 12, 2022 45 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Seems like your very good question has fallen on deaf ears We run a tight ship. We also loose alot of money Feeding the beast as they call it is not cheap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUPERACE 440 Posted January 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: We run a tight ship. We also loose alot of money Feeding the beast as they call it is not cheap Didn't Adrian say we are now on an even keel so can't be losing that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilTheAce 498 Posted January 13, 2022 8 hours ago, SUPERACE said: Didn't Adrian say we are now on an even keel so can't be losing that much. Did he not say that he hoped to be on an even keel by now and we would have done but then covid hit. Don't think they loose as much money now. But it's still a loss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: Did he not say that he hoped to be on an even keel by now and we would have done but then covid hit. Don't think they loose as much money now. But it's still a loss Thought I read that we were in the Black. ????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuxtonTiger 122 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, hyderd said: Has anybody looked at the Manchester clean air zones that starts in May this year? Will it cost £7.50 to get to Belle Vue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellevueace 912 Posted January 13, 2022 20 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Me, when the scoreboard isn't working and you get asked what the score is multiple times and you have to look it up on twitter lol. So I had to revert back to buying one! Normally I just rely on the scoreboard. Just go on the programme generator and print your own racecard, thats what i do all the other information a programme contains can be found online or in the star. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted January 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, BuxtonTiger said: Has anybody looked at the Manchester clean air zones that starts in May this year? Will it cost £7.50 to get to Belle Vue? Does not apply to Cars, Scooters or Motorcycles. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
