False dawn 2,287 Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: ..............Just get rid of the tapes and use a laser beam to detect it. Two laser beams. One at the back of the bikes to prevent backing off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Endeavour 675 Posted October 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Let 'em roll creep push and stretch the tapes as much as they dare after the start marshall walks away. Ref lets the tapes up when the rolling rider is moving backwards and is left at the gate. However if the tapes are broken ....that rider is EXCLUDED. And should be put back 15m. If a team has a strong reserve that team is not penalised. Look at the Panthers and the strong reserve they maintained throughout the season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old bob at herne bay 828 Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, False dawn said: Two laser beams. One at the back of the bikes to prevent backing off. So when old bob was younger bob back in the day, Wimbledon tried a system where a scaffold pole was placed behind the bikes at the start once the green light came on to prevent riders moving back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: So when old bob was younger bob back in the day, Wimbledon tried a system where a scaffold pole was placed behind the bikes at the start once the green light came on to prevent riders moving back. Not placed at you Bob not one bit, but god with the trouble the sport has in this Country why would anyone be that bothered about a trivial ruling.? Stupid rules and over complicating speedway has totally ruined our model in the Uk it is totally flawed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 508 Posted October 27, 2021 17 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: So when old bob was younger bob back in the day, Wimbledon tried a system where a scaffold pole was placed behind the bikes at the start once the green light came on to prevent riders moving back. And I remember once at Birmingham, a thick rope was used for the same reason. The riders fought and struggled to get their bikes back over the rope in order to do their gardening and jumping ... All of these shifts will only work if the riders are forced to co-operate with them, by being disqualified if necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted October 27, 2021 As Peter Adams once said if barbed wire was introduced it would soon stop riders fidgeting about at the start when some riders moaned aout the tape touching rule and dragging clutches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BangerBoy 47 Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 4:17 PM, old bob at herne bay said: Let 'em roll creep push and stretch the tapes as much as they dare after the start marshall walks away. Ref lets the tapes up when the rolling rider is moving backwards and is left at the gate. However if the tapes are broken ....that rider is EXCLUDED. ah the good old days 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,162 Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 4:49 PM, old bob at herne bay said: So when old bob was younger bob back in the day, Wimbledon tried a system where a scaffold pole was placed behind the bikes at the start once the green light came on to prevent riders moving back. I must admit, I do like that.. Gets the crowd going too when its one of the opposition doing it.. There is still a delaying the start rule so that can used by the ref if he feels someone is taking the 'Gerd Riss'... It was great to see and hear Ivan getting the bird off rival fans as he went into the tapes time after time, and then hear the cheers as he rolled back and the tapes went up with him last away Mind you, he was still leading most times by the third turn, lap one.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted October 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, mikebv said: I must admit, I do like that.. Gets the crowd going too when its one of the opposition doing it.. There is still a delaying the start rule so that can used by the ref if he feels someone is taking the 'Gerd Riss'... It was great to see and hear Ivan getting the bird off rival fans as he went into the tapes time after time, and then hear the cheers as he rolled back and the tapes went up with him last away Mind you, he was still leading most times by the third turn, lap one.. Garry Middleton would lead riders into the tapes and get them excluding much to the jeers of the opposition but cheers from the rest! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesHarris 382 Posted October 29, 2021 Sorry if this has already been asked but I've seen videos from the 70's and 80's where the riders are rolling over the tapes at the start. What was the deal with this? Were they excluded if they did it so many times etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, JamesHarris said: Sorry if this has already been asked but I've seen videos from the 70's and 80's where the riders are rolling over the tapes at the start. What was the deal with this? Were they excluded if they did it so many times etc? They were only excluded if they broke the tapes or (I think) if both wheels went over the line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Grachan said: They were only excluded if they broke the tapes or (I think) if both wheels went over the line. May have been if the rear spindle went over the line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser 120 Posted October 29, 2021 Starts back in the day were a joke…it did add to the tension watching riders rolling back and forwards trying to get a flyer…but when you look back on it now it was ridiculous really and starts were completely unfair..watching the old videos now only emphasises that.. i remember the new starting laws coming in around 1984 or so and it took a lot of getting used to and a fair few exclusions but riders adapted and no doubt starts became fairer.. starts are pretty fair now as long as some start marshals ensure all riders are at the tapes and not half a mile away like the Peterborough start marshal in the final so I think it’s fine…..I still don’t mind the gardening before a race though, it all adds to the tension. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted October 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Bruiser said: Starts back in the day were a joke…it did add to the tension watching riders rolling back and forwards trying to get a flyer…but when you look back on it now it was ridiculous really and starts were completely unfair..watching the old videos now only emphasises that.. i remember the new starting laws coming in around 1984 or so and it took a lot of getting used to and a fair few exclusions but riders adapted and no doubt starts became fairer.. starts are pretty fair now as long as some start marshals ensure all riders are at the tapes and not half a mile away like the Peterborough start marshal in the final so I think it’s fine…..I still don’t mind the gardening before a race though, it all adds to the tension. I recall that Eric Gundersen in particular having difficulty adjusting primarily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted October 29, 2021 I remember seeing images (1973?) when as an experiment placing boards between riders (akin to horse racing) so they couldn't distract each other. Never took off and I'm not surprised! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites