crescent girl 1,905 Posted November 24, 2021 Its really quite simple. If a rider has raced in a match for or against Eastbourne in 2021, these points and meetings are wiped out. As rolling averages are calculated over a rider's last 20 matches, to ascertain a true CMA you just need to go back and add older matches back in, to give you the rolling average over twenty meetings, to compensate for the 'loss' of the Eastborne matches. Simples! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,359 Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Knowing the averages allows fans to make educated guesses on who will be in teams, not knowing the averages makes it less fun as you don't know if your "dream team" is legal! I’m quite sure if the average fan really wanted to know a riders correct average concerning Eastbourne situation and rolling average, they should be able to work it out ,given there is a formula. Personally I don’t think the Eastbourne situation should have affected a riders average,it was just another match and a true reflection of the rider.After all Teams that rode again Eastbourne probably rode against different riders given the R/r and guest situation we have in the sport. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,022 Posted November 25, 2021 11 hours ago, crescent girl said: Its really quite simple. If a rider has raced in a match for or against Eastbourne in 2021, these points and meetings are wiped out. As rolling averages are calculated over a rider's last 20 matches, to ascertain a true CMA you just need to go back and add older matches back in, to give you the rolling average over twenty meetings, to compensate for the 'loss' of the Eastbourne matches. Simples! Of course it's possible to do this, wouldn't call it simple though. But if fans can work out the averages, what's the benefit of not publishing them? I've also not read anything official that states if the Eastbourne matches are removed for final averages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,359 Posted November 25, 2021 58 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Of course it's possible to do this, wouldn't call it simple though. But if fans can work out the averages, what's the benefit of not publishing them? I've also not read anything official that states if the Eastbourne matches are removed for final averages. Fans are of no interest to the powers at be,would be my answer to that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbw 869 Posted November 25, 2021 15 hours ago, Jaizer said: You have to assume the promoters have them so why not just publish them? Mr Barrie seems to be in the know about these things makes it even more probable Championship Green Sheet Averages are in today's SPEEDWAY STAR ! Have Fun Shame that u will have to rummage through Pirate blah blah to get to them! We LUV U Middlo We DO! C'mon the PIRATES! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted November 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, PirateShip said: Championship Green Sheet Averages are in today's SPEEDWAY STAR ! Have Fun Shame that u will have to rummage through Pirate blah blah to get to them! We LUV U Middlo We DO! C'mon the PIRATES! If those GSAs are accurate then in Poole's case how was Basso on the Gasso (5.00) at reserve and Hume (4.98) in the 1-5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaizer 2,863 Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If those GSAs are accurate then in Poole's case how was Basso on the Gasso (5.00) at reserve and Hume (4.98) in the 1-5? 2.5% reduction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
False dawn 2,298 Posted November 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, PirateShip said: Championship Green Sheet Averages are in today's SPEEDWAY STAR ! Look like the same averages as we already have i.e. still contain the Eastbourne numbers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbw 869 Posted November 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If those GSAs are accurate then in Poole's case how was Basso on the Gasso (5.00) at reserve and Hume (4.98) in the 1-5? I presume at the time they switched positions Hume was higher but by the end of the season Basso on the Gasso was scoring better at reserve. Ben would've been able to retain his reserve spot for a certain number of meetings no matter how he scored, just so happened it covered him until the end of the season. Hence the difference. Or somet like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbw 869 Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, False dawn said: Look like the same averages as we already have i.e. still contain the Eastbourne numbers As far as I know the riders retained the points they scored against Eastbourne therefore the average is not effected. Stewart Dickson wasn't happy about it coz he said so in an interview on the centrgreen at Leicester when Leicester had been stripped of 7pts but the riders avg. stayed the same. Think it stopped him from switching his team around. To me it kind makes sense that riders still retain the pts & avg despite Eastbourne pulling out as it shows an accurate record of how the riders have been riding throughout the season. They've still ridden and been paid (hopefully) in those meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,022 Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PirateShip said: As far as I know the riders retained the points they scored against Eastbourne therefore the average is not effected. Stewart Dickson wasn't happy about it coz he said so in an interview on the centrgreen at Leicester when Leicester had been stripped of 7pts but the riders avg. stayed the same. Think it stopped him from switching his team around. To me it kind makes sense that riders still retain the pts & avg despite Eastbourne pulling out as it shows an accurate record of how the riders have been riding throughout the season. They've still ridden and been paid (hopefully) in those meetings. I get Dickson's point, but some of his riders who rode against Eastbourne have joined other teams - some averages would've gone up / some down - for all teams, doesn't just affect Leicester. Edited November 25, 2021 by szkocjasid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,359 Posted November 25, 2021 The mystery of the Green Sheet Averages continues.Dickson was the stumbling block.! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbw 869 Posted November 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I get Dickson's point, but some of his riders who rode against Eastbourne have joined other teams - some averages would've gone up / some down - for all teams, doesn't just affect Leicester. True, but I mentioned Dickson's interview to clarify to others on the forum who thought that riders' pts scored against Eastbourne wud be taken off their average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzac 1,015 Posted November 25, 2021 50 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I get Dickson's point, but some of his riders who rode against Eastbourne have joined other teams - some averages would've gone up / some down - for all teams, doesn't just affect Leicester. As you say does it not more a less even out if the Eastbourne results are left in with rolling averages, some going up or down, team changes etc. I just think the worst problem is no absolute clarification, if it was announced a month ago they're definitely left in (or out) everyone would know, although gives another topic to discuss I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted November 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Jaizer said: 2.5% reduction So are you saying that all the GSAs in this week's Star have had the 2.5% reduction for Brits taken into account? I don't think so?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
