NEWCASTLE DIAMONDS 2022

[szkocjasid 2,993]

10 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

What about Newcastle who’s signed a young new Zealander instead of a young brit at reserve, i’m sure virtually all of the other teams will still be having young brits in their team, berwick and plymouth have signed 2 each, redcar have signed jenkins again, i’m sure leicester will have their twins back, as well as palin at scunthorpe, bailey at glasgow, there’s plenty young brits on 4 or below, your clubs just chose to use a foreigner instead, don’t blame British speedway for that

The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points!

Edited November 12, 2021 by szkocjasid

[Fortythirtyeight 838]

10 hours ago, Arson fire said:

Of course i blame British speedway, because they removed the stipulation to have them.. had they not, Newcastle would have had too.

my post was more about how young kids are used every other year by the collective promoters/rules to cut costs and then left to hope they get a spot.

Either they use them or not, for the right reasons…but stop pi55ing them about and making them the fall guys to prop the sport up when it suits.

But Newcastle have made the decision to drop Archie, a local prospect who the club threw in the deep end and said there would be no pressure on him , and said this would be a good move for the future of Newcastle and now they drop him and bring in another untried but non UK youngster , and that’s British Speedways fault ???

No, that is the Newcastle promoters decision nothing to do with the rest of speedway.

[Sings4Speedway 3,246]

11 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points!

In fairness Alcock was the worst rider in the league, Freeman just got dumped in to replace him as you pointed out far before he was ready. Thers certainly an argument that riders should achieve a certain level in the NDL before they can take up a CL place.

[Arson fire 4,785]

4 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

But Newcastle have made the decision to drop Archie, a local prospect who the club threw in the deep end and said there would be no pressure on him , and said this would be a good move for the future of Newcastle and now they drop him and bring in another untried but non UK youngster , and that’s British Speedways fault ???

No, that is the Newcastle promoters decision nothing to do with the rest of speedway.

Do you not think for one minute these youngsters will be replaced by teams once more experienced riders drop averages or the team does on the whole?? The rising star  status meant they were guaranteed to have a spot, thus only helping them develop etc.

My gripe is, that every so often British speedway invent a place for rising stars to hold the sport up, then it is dropped the season after… why implement it (2 or 3 times now) and drop it the next year. Its all about costs and money!! Not the development of young riders. If you are going to have team places for rising stars in the first place, why then change it 6 months later?

 

[Arson fire 4,785]

9 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

In fairness Alcock was the worst rider in the league, Freeman just got dumped in to replace him as you pointed out far before he was ready. Thers certainly an argument that riders should achieve a certain level in the NDL before they can take up a CL place.

Agree with this. Chatting to Rob Lyon several years ago about the structure of British speedway being ar5e over t!t, he was concerned then but they wouldn't listen.

Either use and accommodate them going forward as a rule, or dont…but stop mucking them about. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Arson fire

[Jaizer 2,862]

11 minutes ago, Arson fire said:

Do you not think for one minute these youngsters will be replaced by teams once more experienced riders drop averages or the team does on the whole?? The rising star  status meant they were guaranteed to have a spot, thus only helping them develop etc.

My gripe is, that every so often British speedway invent a place for rising stars to hold the sport up, then it is dropped the season after… why implement it (2 or 3 times now) and drop it the next year. Its all about costs and money!! Not the development of young riders. If you are going to have team places for rising stars in the first place, why then change it 6 months later?

 

The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations.

 

You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders

Edited November 12, 2021 by Jaizer
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[Arson fire 4,785]

7 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations.

 

You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders

Fair comment

[Fromafar 10,341]

13 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations.

 

You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders

That’s the BSPA for you,short term thinking with self interest thrown in.Most fans could see the rising star’s average was going to cause headaches the following season.Very shortsighted IMO.

[Jaizer 2,862]

4 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

That’s the BSPA for you,short term thinking with self interest thrown in.Most fans could see the rising star’s average was going to cause headaches the following season.Very shortsighted IMO.

How dare Leon and Jordan perform so damn well. It's an outrage . Personally think a 2 U23 Brits minimum should maybe have come in to replace it but the RS scheme was flawed from the start

[proud panther 1,504]

Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support.

[Diamond geezer 60]

5 minutes ago, proud panther said:

Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support.

Could the last rider be a certain Mr Worrall? Fits if the new lad is a 2.00… just announced today he isn’t going back to Edinburgh…

[Justgotmecpc 1,056]

34 minutes ago, Diamond geezer said:

Could the last rider be a certain Mr Worrall? Fits if the new lad is a 2.00… just announced today he isn’t going back to Edinburgh…

Think the new lad is on a 4

[Tsunami 10,219]

5 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points!

Archie turned down the offer to ride for the Diamonds to concentrate on development in the NDL. Someone pulled the Gems out of the NDJ, and fortunately another team had faith in him and he rode for the Edinburgh Devils this year with merit. Other riders were used as the Diamond no 7 and then dispensed with.  At 16 and a year behind the likes of the Thompsons, Palin, Gilkes, he knew he needed that extra year to gain experience at the junior level . Archie was pressed by Newcastle management to help out at No 7 to replace JPB, and was given assurances that he would not be judged on this year, just get experience for next year. Next year has arrived and he has been overlooked. Rob should remember that when he joined the Diamonds we put him straight into the team along with other 3 pointers like Jamie Birkenshaw, Craig Branney and Jamie Robertson. Without those placements who is to say they would have made a career after that.

 No training school, no organised second halves,  dropped the Gems whilst at the top of the league and possibly league winners, no junior meetings, and now this. We were told of commitment to local talent and their place at Newcastle, it all just seems like a conflict with every decision made. With the Gems being dropped, three of us were prepared to pay for and run the Gems at our expense for the year, but one was told NO I've made the decision and your sponsorship will be returned.     

Edited November 12, 2021 by Tsunami

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

2 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Think the new lad is on a 4

If he's a 4, would Kyle Newman fit?

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4 hours ago, proud panther said:

Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support.

A better team it seems but will it attract the additional support through the gate to make Newcastle speedway sustainable in the future? 

Can be a extremely difficult decision to make when building a team, do you stick within budget and risk losing support or twist and av a big name, e.g a Crump or a Pedersen hoping to pull in the extra bums on seats.

Having thought about it, which i occasionally do lol, guess it's better to walk before you can run given the circumstances. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by PirateShip