crescent girl 1,905 Posted December 15, 2021 40 minutes ago, Wee Eck said: Why wouldn’t they be allowed to? Oxford must have one if the can sign Cameron Heeps. Cameron Heeps has patriality, even raced in the-then National League back awhile. Anyway, being a new promotion wouldn't stop Newcastle going through the ridiculously-expensive and time-consuming process of becoming sponsors, it's a Government thing, not BSPL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wee Eck 703 Posted December 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, crescent girl said: Cameron Heeps has patriality, even raced in the-then National League back awhile. Anyway, being a new promotion wouldn't stop Newcastle going through the ridiculously-expensive and time-consuming process of becoming sponsors, it's a Government thing, not BSPL. It was your last point that I was alluding to. A past “in the know” poster, fortunately now headed off elsewhere, made much of how the Newcastle promotion were hard done by, having to buy the old company otherwise they wouldn’t have had a vote (untrue of course) and so on, so was just trying to correct some of the nonsense previously spread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: Cameron Heeps has patriarchy, even raced in the-then National League back awhile. Anyway, being a new promotion wouldn't stop Newcastle going through the ridiculously-expensive and time-consuming process of becoming sponsors, it's a Government thing, not BSPL. 1 hour ago, Wee Eck said: It was your last point that I was alluding to. A past “in the know” poster, fortunately now headed off elsewhere, made much of how the Newcastle promotion were hard done by, having to buy the old company otherwise they wouldn’t have had a vote (untrue of course) and so on, so was just trying to correct some of the nonsense previously spread. What an annoying wee nonce... okay you have got a bite (you've been trying for long enough)... and you have been told what the situation is... however on the issue to hand just about any company can be a sponsor... we (as a company) have just done it for one of our European Employees and as Crescent Girl points out it is time consuming but it isn't that expensive (we felt) and once you can show 12 months of trading you can apply for a Sponsors Licence. The important thing to note here is you should have 12 months of trading and produced a full set of accounts before you can apply to be a sponsor... it has nothing to do with the BSPL it is driven by the British Government and if you don't have 12 months worth of trading accounts you can not apply for the licence so being a new promotion with no trading accounts is a critical factor... 12 month into the job its a different story and you can apply for your own licence (or you can tie into another clubs licence which I wont go into here but it can be done) However costs for a licence are Type of licence Fee for small or charitable sponsors Fee for medium or large sponsors Worker £536 £1,476 Temporary Worker £536 £536 Worker and Temporary Worker £536 £ 1,476 Add a Worker licence to an existing Temporary Worker licence No fee £940 Add a Temporary Worker licence to an existing Worker licence No fee No fee I would suggest that Speedway comes under a small or charitable sponsor as you are usually a small sponsor if at least 2 of the following apply: your annual turnover is £10.2 million or less your total assets are worth £5.1 million or less you have 50 employees or fewer https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers Furthermore the employee (in this case the rider) has to obtain a relevant visa and permit to enable them to enter the country and work which also has a cost attached (for someone)... its complicated until you get your head round it... so any Speedway fan who can get their head around the intricacies of the Speedway rules and regulations book will have no trouble with it as it is only half as complicated as they are... So don't keep trying to correct what you perceive as "some of the nonsense previously spread" as it is blatantly obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about and worst of all because you don't know what you are on about you think it is okay to make up your own little version and stick it on here as being fact. All this has been covered in previous posts that you thought were nonsense then however hit the link and look at the facts and apply them to the situation to hand and you will see the facts (FACTS) for yourself its all there to read... There are none so blind as those who cant see... or aren't prepared to and who would much rather be an antagonistic little Pratt... Regards THJ 2 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloom89 490 Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: What an annoying wee nonce... okay you have got a bite (you've been trying for long enough)... and you have been told what the situation is... however on the issue to hand just about any company can be a sponsor... we (as a company) have just done it for one of our European Employees and as Crescent Girl points out it is time consuming but it isn't that expensive (we felt) and once you can show 12 months of trading you can apply for a Sponsors Licence. The important thing to note here is you should have 12 months of trading and produced a full set of accounts before you can apply to be a sponsor... it has nothing to do with the BSPL it is driven by the British Government and if you don't have 12 months worth of trading accounts you can not apply for the licence so being a new promotion with no trading accounts is a critical factor... 12 month into the job its a different story and you can apply for your own licence (or you can tie into another clubs licence which I wont go into here but it can be done) However costs for a licence are Type of licence Fee for small or charitable sponsors Fee for medium or large sponsors Worker £536 £1,476 Temporary Worker £536 £536 Worker and Temporary Worker £536 £ 1,476 Add a Worker licence to an existing Temporary Worker licence No fee £940 Add a Temporary Worker licence to an existing Worker licence No fee No fee I would suggest that Speedway comes under a small or charitable sponsor as you are usually a small sponsor if at least 2 of the following apply: your annual turnover is £10.2 million or less your total assets are worth £5.1 million or less you have 50 employees or fewer https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers Furthermore the employee (in this case the rider) has to obtain a relevant visa and permit to enable them to enter the country and work which also has a cost attached (for someone)... its complicated until you get your head round it... so any Speedway fan who can get their head around the intricacies of the Speedway rules and regulations book will have no trouble with it as it is only half as complicated as they are... So don't keep trying to correct what you perceive as "some of the nonsense previously spread" as it is blatantly obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about and worst of all because you don't know what you are on about you think it is okay to make up your own little version and stick it on here as being fact. All this has been covered in previous posts that you thought were nonsense then however hit the link and look at the facts and apply them to the situation to hand and you will see the facts (FACTS) for yourself its all there to read... There are none so blind as those who cant see... or aren't prepared to and who would much rather be an antagonistic little Pratt... Regards THJ So with what you've posted there does that mean Newcastle will be running for the next few seasons then? Because obviously Rob Grant said numerous times last season how much money he was losing and couldn't continue to do so, so to go to the trouble of forking out for sponsors licence must mean he has the future in mind? Edited December 15, 2021 by bloom89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, bloom89 said: So with what you've posted there does that mean Newcastle will be running for the next few seasons then? Because obviously Rob Grant said numerous times last season how much money he was losing and couldn't continue to do so, so to go to the trouble of forking out for sponsors licence must mean he has the future in mind? Sorry buddy as explained in my very long post some time back it wouldn't be right or appropriate for me to now comment on what the promotion will or will not be doing going forward... however there is some rational and common sense in what you are stating... Regards THJ Edited December 15, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, Spell Check and Eyesight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonds85 698 Posted December 15, 2021 THJ, please don't let the fools on this forum annoy you. You done wonders for our club in the many years you were involved and for that, 99% of us are eternally grateful, I am gutted that you are not as involved now but you have moved on. And I want to wish you all the very best in whatever you have lined up over in Cumbria. It's our loss and their gain. Cheers, don't make yourself a strange on here or at Brough Park, please? 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justgotmecpc 1,056 Posted December 16, 2021 Great move for young Archie Freeman signing for the Bellevue colts for next season 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyPresley 102 Posted December 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said: Great move for young Archie Freeman signing for the Bellevue colts for next season This is a great move for young Archie. I’d love to see him back with us in the near future because he has a lot of potential. I thought it was the right thing for Rob to stick with him last season which will have offered good experience in the long run. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wardey 36 Posted December 16, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 8:27 PM, ruffdiamond said: Do Newcastle still have any overseas assets, or were they lost in the takeover and, if so would it make a difference? Not sure, but do they not qualify under some sort of 'Commonwealth agreement'? No mention of riders as assets on the official liquidation paperwork. From memory it was a tractor and some cash in the bank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justgotmecpc 1,056 Posted December 17, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 9:31 PM, Wardey said: No mention of riders as assets on the official liquidation paperwork. From memory it was a tractor and some cash in the bank Yep I think ludvig is still an asset Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 9:31 PM, Wardey said: No mention of riders as assets on the official liquidation paperwork. From memory it was a tractor and some cash in the bank 6 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said: Yep I think ludvig is still an asset Yeah, sure the liquidators only take things that are of any value? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,624 Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Yeah, sure the liquidators only take things that are of any value? No. The job of the liquidators is to take ALL assets and ALL liabilities. And then realise the assets to distribute among the creditors according to pre-determined rules. Rider contracts will not be part of liquidation as they will have been voided by the insolvency and the rights reverted to the BSPL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted December 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, arnieg said: No. The job of the liquidators is to take ALL assets and ALL liabilities. And then realise the assets to distribute among the creditors according to pre-determined rules. Rider contracts will not be part of liquidation as they will have been voided by the insolvency and the rights reverted to the BSPL. Yeah, well maybe the BSPL hold the riders now, but think you missed the joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamonds7 112 Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Yeah, well maybe the BSPL hold the riders now, but think you missed the joke. which one ruffers the BSPA one or the LUDDE one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted December 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, diamonds7 said: which one ruffers the BSPA one or the LUDDE one No, Ludde's worth his weight in gold at Brough,,, his contract is only good for paper-mache or aeroplanes. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
