szkocjasid 2,846 Posted November 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, CowleyCheetahs said: Because the other 6 teams wouldn’t share the TV money Even if one of them (Wolves) don't want to race in a 6 team league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 9:24 PM, crescent girl said: We'll see. Remember this post. Heads up on this Post 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,163 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, CowleyCheetahs said: Because the other 6 teams wouldn’t share the TV money Leicester had to wait a year didnt they as that would have thinned out the TV money split that season.. Think it would have been 11 teams instead of 10 that year so not a huge difference to the split.. Six to seven means a bit bigger of a 'wedge' lost to the original six.. Rider availability must also be a consideration for bringing more teams into the top tier.... Would they have enough heat leaders of the required level to cover seven teams? 21 riders needed with Bjarne and Rory retiring and Dan Bewley also going from last years 18 heat leaders.. Max Fricke could be one replacement it looks like but it's still two shy of a full compliment.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,605 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: Leicester had to wait a year didnt they as that would have thinned out the TV money split that season.. Think it would have been 11 teams instead of 10 that year so not a huge difference to the split.. Six to seven means a bit bigger of a 'wedge' lost to the original six.. Rider availability must also be a consideration for bringing more teams into the top tier.... Would they have enough heat leaders of the required level to cover seven teams? 21 riders needed with Bjarne and Rory retiring and Dan Bewley also going from last years 18 heat leaders.. Max Fricke could be one replacement it looks like but it's still two shy of a full compliment.. So unless there is a net inflow of top line riders that makes Jorgensen, Wright, Howarth and Steve Worrall heatleaders. Go to 8 teams and Kerr, Batchelor and Richie Worrall (5.36) would also be heat leaders Edited November 8, 2021 by arnieg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mikebv said: Leicester had to wait a year didnt they as that would have thinned out the TV money split that season.. Think it would have been 11 teams instead of 10 that year so not a huge difference to the split.. Six to seven means a bit bigger of a 'wedge' lost to the original six.. Rider availability must also be a consideration for bringing more teams into the top tier.... Would they have enough heat leaders of the required level to cover seven teams? 21 riders needed with Bjarne and Rory retiring and Dan Bewley also going from last years 18 heat leaders.. Max Fricke could be one replacement it looks like but it's still two shy of a full compliment.. It’s obviously about trying to hold on to TV money,there is very little difference in the standard in the 2 leagues.Bjarne finish up 6th in “top” league averages for Panthers.Self Interest,but will never be admitted or sorted out. Edited November 8, 2021 by Fromafar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,163 Posted November 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, arnieg said: So unless there is a net inflow of top line riders that makes Jorgensen, Wright, Howarth and Steve Worrall heatleaders. Go to 8 teams and Kerr, Batchelor and Richie Worrall (5.36) would also be heat leaders Be a real dilution of tier one that wouldnt it? Second Strings becoming Heat Leaders means reserves become Second Strings.. The vast majority of last years 2nd Div HL's would be top tier HL's this.... And they will also need to keep one eye on the Polish U24 League I would suspect.. That could take a fair few of our lads out of the equation at weekends in particular given the potential prize of a career in Poland and the money that the Poles have invested in it... I would think the U24 lads coming through at a fair pace are very much key for the 2nd Division teams.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEEDY69 1,238 Posted November 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s obviously about trying to hold on to TV money,there is very little difference in the standard in the 2 leagues.Bjarne finish up 6th in “top” league averages for Panthers.Self Interest,but will never be admitted or sorted out. I don't think this is right. Most of the riders at the top of the championship averages have much lower premiership averages, so how can the standard be very little different? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,686 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, lisa-colette said: They are seriously getting worse every year! Glad Poole are out of that league tbh. They can't be getting much money anyway. Nobody can confirm it's true although you wouldn't be surprised if it was. As has been stated Wolves don't want a six team league for a start, a lack of variety in opposition for the rest will hit them hard eventually. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 1,255 Posted November 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Nobody can confirm it's true although you wouldn't be surprised if it was. As has been stated Wolves don't want a six team league for a start, a lack of variety in opposition for the rest will hit them hard eventually. Yep.... when we have A, B, C & D league fixtures against the same teams to fill the meaningless League dates, before the rain damaged grand play offs, then promoters could at last realise fans will further select the meetings they go to or don't go to! The Promoter solution of ... if the crowds go down, dilute the standard and put the price up has reached the end of the line. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEEDY69 1,238 Posted November 8, 2021 I think there will be more than six clubs in the top flight next season and I'll await the rabbits out of hats they produce each AGM....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: I don't think this is right. Most of the riders at the top of the championship averages have much lower premiership averages, so how can the standard be very little different? Sorry I Will rephrase that,the standard is higher but it’s the same riders beating each other.There are certainly no superstar 10 pt average riders even though it is a weakened League. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEEDY69 1,238 Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Sorry I Will rephrase that,the standard is higher but it’s the same riders beating each other.There are certainly no superstar 10 pt average riders even though it is a weakened League. Ulrich could have got there by the end of the season 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted November 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Ulrich could have got there by the end of the season That puts it in perspective then.It’s no Super-league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topsoil 2,498 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Be a real dilution of tier one that wouldnt it? Second Strings becoming Heat Leaders means reserves become Second Strings.. The vast majority of last years 2nd Div HL's would be top tier HL's this.... And they will also need to keep one eye on the Polish U24 League I would suspect.. That could take a fair few of our lads out of the equation at weekends in particular given the potential prize of a career in Poland and the money that the Poles have invested in it... I would think the U24 lads coming through at a fair pace are very much key for the 2nd Division teams.. Just another example for me of why Polish speedway will be the death of other domestic leagues 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,163 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Lefty said: Yep.... when we have A, B, C & D league fixtures against the same teams to fill the meaningless League dates, before the rain damaged grand play offs, then promoters could at last realise fans will further select the meetings they go to or don't go to! The Promoter solution of ... if the crowds go down, dilute the standard and put the price up has reached the end of the line. Never.... It's worked for the past decade and a half or so, so plenty of life in the business plan yet.... Some are still attending which shows it still has legs.. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites