PotteringAround 631 Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, szkocjasid said: GB finished more than 8 points ahead of Australia, so Brennan made no difference. He may have ride well, but it didn't help GB win. Ah. So, in your strange world, Tai Woffinden played no part in Great Britain's Speedway of Nations win? After all, Woffinden didn't ride in the semi-final and final races, and since GB finished 15 points ahead of Australia, his 14 points were completely unnecessary. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enotian 562 Posted November 29, 2021 Another BSPL announcement that ends up generating more questions than providing answers.... ....not exactly great communication. No doubt vague enough to allow it to be made up on the hoof. I think we can all agree that young riders need more track time and in that respect the idea is a sound one. But what's the level? The fixed race nights would allow CL #7 standard riders to participate which could make it really competitive and challenging for the young riders. Or is it SGP4 250/125cc level? Those kids need track time to but it's not a natural progression from that standard to a PL Rising Star. No doubt all will be revealed when they've decided how it will work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparks123 147 Posted November 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: Ah. So, in your strange world, Tai Woffinden played no part in Great Britain's Speedway of Nations win? After all, Woffinden didn't ride in the semi-final and final races, and since GB finished 15 points ahead of Australia, his 14 points were completely unnecessary. Could be onto something there. By the same token Robert's 3 points in 2016 and 1 point in 2017 didn't really change GB's position in the SWC so he should have been at home watching and not gaining the world championship experience. I wonder if that experience of racing in a world final at a young age helped him any in this years SON? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 2,993 Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Wonder if Kyle Bickley is reconsidering signing for Berwick Bullets now? Or can he be a number 8 and still ride in the other 2 leagues... What does he do... Drop the NL in the slight off chance that he may or may not get a ride at some point during the season, or keep the NL and get track time... I hope the number 8s are eligible to ride in both other leagues... Other than that... It's actually a good idea that has been implemented... Something long overdue... Now all they need to do is change to race format to have protected races for reserves so we don't have the number 5 vs the RS at number 7... They had a format like that during the "fast track years" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIRKYLANE 534 Posted November 29, 2021 11 hours ago, scoobydoo said: So are they saying if your RS is injured you got to use the #8 They probably have not thought that far yet… answers on a postcard to BSPL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,486 Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Chris116 said: The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time. Think the point your missing is the championship clubs voted the r/s scheme out not the bsp. When will people realise it's not one or two man's opinions 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris116 755 Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Think the point your missing is the championship clubs voted the r/s scheme out not the bsp. When will people realise it's not one or two man's opinions I did not think it was one or two people who had made the decision to not follow through on what was announced as a five year plan. Whether it is the BSPL or the Championship league who got rid of the idea does not matter. What is certain is that once again speedway has introduced a five year plan and then voted against it within twelve months. If "rising stars" were such a good idea twelve months ago that they were voted in why change their minds without giving the idea a fair trial? How does having riders sitting in the pits and not racing as number eights help them progress? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, enotian said: Another BSPL announcement that ends up generating more questions than providing answers.... ....not exactly great communication. No doubt vague enough to allow it to be made up on the hoof. I think we can all agree that young riders need more track time and in that respect the idea is a sound one. But what's the level? The fixed race nights would allow CL #7 standard riders to participate which could make it really competitive and challenging for the young riders. Or is it SGP4 250/125cc level? Those kids need track time to but it's not a natural progression from that standard to a PL Rising Star. No doubt all will be revealed when they've decided how it will work. Its never going to be a level of CL #7s as they will want paying. The PJL will basically be a MSDL level so NL reserves and others making up the numbers (because lets face it half won't want the midweek travel to then sit and wait until the end, treated like 2nd class citizens and quiteboften not get rides anyways). Its a cheap way of providing "extra value" to a night (until the standard is shown to be so embarrassing that the whole thing is dropped mid season) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 2,993 Posted December 2, 2021 If there's gonna be a supporters Cup this year, why not make it an 8 man format to give the number 8's a minimum of 4 matches? Could use the Polish format (8 has no scheduled rides) or the 1993 British format with 6 riders & 2 reserves? It's often said fans don't turn up to non-league fixtures but giving 18 heats instead of 15, could help increase the crowds! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/29/2021 at 4:44 PM, Diamonds85 said: Wonder if Kyle Bickley is reconsidering signing for Berwick Bullets now? Or can he be a number 8 and still ride in the other 2 leagues... What does he do... Drop the NL in the slight off chance that he may or may not get a ride at some point during the season, or keep the NL and get track time... I hope the number 8s are eligible to ride in both other leagues... Other than that... It's actually a good idea that has been implemented... Something long overdue... Now all they need to do is change to race format to have protected races for reserves so we don't have the number 5 vs the RS at number 7... The riding order is not fixed either in that the lowest averaged rider & RS can ride at 6 OR 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Hunter 368 Posted January 7, 2022 Does anyone actually know how the new no. 8 system will work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotteringAround 631 Posted January 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Happy Hunter said: Does anyone actually know how the new no. 8 system will work? Yes. Every team has to name a No.8 If the rising star gets injured (as Josh Bates at Sheffield last year) or quits (as Tom Bacon at Wolves last year) then the No.8 steps into his place. It stops teams using a "horses-for-courses" guest, as they already have a stand-in in place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted January 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: Yes. Every team has to name a No.8 If the rising star gets injured (as Josh Bates at Sheffield last year) or quits (as Tom Bacon at Wolves last year) then the No.8 steps into his place. It stops teams using a "horses-for-courses" guest, as they already have a stand-in in place. Out of interest has that actually been documented anywhere? All i recall reading is that the number 8 would be involved with the club and if opportunities arise they might be included. Nothing about they must use the number 8 if the RS is missing or even any requirement for the number 8 to be at the track when a team is running RR (despite this being its original use) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotteringAround 631 Posted January 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Out of interest has that actually been documented anywhere? All i recall reading is that the number 8 would be involved with the club and if opportunities arise they might be included. Nothing about they must use the number 8 if the RS is missing or even any requirement for the number 8 to be at the track when a team is running RR (despite this being its original use) It'll be documented in the rule book, but that's not available to us online yet. (Don't know whether officials have the rule book - I presume so - I was told about the no.8s by an official). You do seem to be confusing 2 separate things though. You're confusing "No.8" (a secondary rising star to cover for a missing rising star in the Premiership ), with the "AR" (additional rider) which may be named by a team using R/R in any league. The "AR" (additional rider) rule has been around a long time. (See regulation 12.4.3g, 12.4.3h and 13.6.2f). For 2021 a team using R/R can name an "AR" to cover any of the R/R rides. In the Premiership an "AR" has to be a Championship rider 3.00 or less. In the Championship the AR has to be a National League rider. In the National League the AR needs to be an unattached 3.00. People sometimes colloquially call the "AR" a No.8. But the actual title is "Additional Rider" and it's nothing to do with the Rising Star scheme. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Hunter 368 Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: It'll be documented in the rule book, but that's not available to us online yet. (Don't know whether officials have the rule book - I presume so - I was told about the no.8s by an official). You do seem to be confusing 2 separate things though. You're confusing "No.8" (a secondary rising star to cover for a missing rising star in the Premiership ), with the "AR" (additional rider) which may be named by a team using R/R in any league. The "AR" (additional rider) rule has been around a long time. (See regulation 12.4.3g, 12.4.3h and 13.6.2f). For 2021 a team using R/R can name an "AR" to cover any of the R/R rides. In the Premiership an "AR" has to be a Championship rider 3.00 or less. In the Championship the AR has to be a National League rider. In the National League the AR needs to be an unattached 3.00. People sometimes colloquially call the "AR" a No.8. But the actual title is "Additional Rider" and it's nothing to do with the Rising Star scheme. Thanks for this. I, for one, thought they were the same. Will the no 8 rising star replacement be able to take the rising stars rides if the rising star is injured during a meeting and withdrawn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
