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2 hours ago, RS50 said:

So, if a number 8 is needed due to a RS injury, but the number 8 also has a NDL match same day, who gets priority?

Won't happen due to protected race nights. 

 

16 hours ago, False dawn said:

As to PJL, teams will comprise 4 riders with a maximum combined RS star rating of 8. The league will be regionalised (I think, 2 times 3 teams).

Anybody have the RS ratings of the no.8's? If Hume is a 4 as expected then the remainder of the team will have to be filled with 1 star riders? Also going by this statement all PJL riders will have to be RS eligible....and have registered their interest to participate in the scheme? Sounds like it could be quite a closed and shrinking list which would only add to costs

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13 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Won't happen due to protected race nights. 

 

Anybody have the RS ratings of the no.8's? If Hume is a 4 as expected then the remainder of the team will have to be filled with 1 star riders? Also going by this statement all PJL riders will have to be RS eligible....and have registered their interest to participate in the scheme? Sounds like it could be quite a closed and shrinking list which would only add to costs

Won’t be many costs as the PJL is regionalised so they will only ride a grand total of 4 matches , two home , two away .

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8 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Less than half the Prem matches will have PJL meetings after, so there is a good chance of number 8's sitting in the pits & not getting rides!

Why?  The number 8 isn't going to turn up for a meeting where he isn't riding!

If he's replacing the No.7 in that meeting he's going to have rides.  If he's in the PJL match he's going to have rides.  If he's not replacing the No.7 and there's no PJL match, then there's no need for him to be there, unless he's mechanicing or spectating. 

2 hours ago, RS50 said:

So, if a number 8 is needed due to a RS injury, but the number 8 also has a NDL match same day, who gets priority?

Would imagine the Premiership would pull rank over the NDL.  But I don't think there's many NDL matches scheduled for a Monday or Thursday, so it's not going to be a common thing. 

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4 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Won’t be many costs as the PJL is regionalised so they will only ride a grand total of 4 matches , two home , two away .

Hardly worth riders funding their own team kevlars then. However using the RS pay scheme rates of £40 per point, a 4 rider 6 heat formula so 36 points available split in half so 18 points and over 4 meetings 40x18x4 =£2880. Thats a lump of additional cash a season to fork out. Im sure some riders would take to the track for £20per point and some might even do it for free but the gulf in levels would open up pretty quickly and the spectacle could rapidly go downhill. 

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6 hours ago, SpeedyOne said:

Why? The number 8 isn't going to turn up for a meeting where he isn't riding!

If he's replacing the No.7 in that meeting he's going to have rides.  If he's in the PJL match he's going to have rides.  If he's not replacing the No.7 and there's no PJL match, then there's no need for him to be there, unless he's mechanicing or spectating. 

Would imagine the Premiership would pull rank over the NDL.  But I don't think there's many NDL matches scheduled for a Monday or Thursday, so it's not going to be a common thing. 

I've read clubs stating the number 8 will be at each match, Wolves I'm sure said that for example!

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6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Hardly worth riders funding their own team kevlars then. However using the RS pay scheme rates of £40 per point, a 4 rider 6 heat formula so 36 points available split in half so 18 points and over 4 meetings 40x18x4 =£2880. Thats a lump of additional cash a season to fork out. Im sure some riders would take to the track for £20per point and some might even do it for free but the gulf in levels would open up pretty quickly and the spectacle could rapidly go downhill. 

Whilst they may pay the ‘ no. 8 ‘ something I doubt very much if they will pay the junior team those pay rates . The NDL was only supposed to be paying £10 a point.
There shouldn’t be a gulf in levels as they are all ‘ rising stars ‘, not novices.

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Danyon Hume has been told to be at every Ipswich meeting and he’s set to be heavily involved. Not surprising really, as he’s a real coup at number 8 and better than a lot of others main reserves. 

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5 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Whilst they may pay the ‘ no. 8 ‘ something I doubt very much if they will pay the junior team those pay rates . The NDL was only supposed to be paying £10 a point.
There shouldn’t be a gulf in levels as they are all ‘ rising stars ‘, not novices.

Not going to disagree that pay rates across all leagues have got silly but it started at the top and worked down. 

As for gulf in level there are number 8s of 4 star level who will be CL 2nd strings this year whilst others on the rising star list drop down to NL reserve and lower. No offence to any of them but 1 star rising stars can be hugely different in class to those who they will be lining up against.

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On 2/28/2022 at 10:00 PM, Sings4Speedway said:

Not going to disagree that pay rates across all leagues have got silly but it started at the top and worked down. 

As for gulf in level there are number 8s of 4 star level who will be CL 2nd strings this year whilst others on the rising star list drop down to NL reserve and lower. No offence to any of them but 1 star rising stars can be hugely different in class to those who they will be lining up against.

Interested to know who’s the NL reserve or lower who has managed to get on the rising star programme meaning he can ride in the Premiership ?

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4 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Interested to know who’s the NL reserve or lower who has managed to get on the rising star programme meaning he can ride in the Premiership ?

Did i say PL ride? The PJL is made up of riders totalling 8 stars. Most number 8s are 4 stars so the remaining riders will be 1.

Obviously 2022 list is hush hush but going off 2021 list the Millars, Butcher, Chattin, MacDonald, Smith, Woods etc. All 1 star riders who are potentially going to go to the tapes with a Thompson or Hume and try to provide a competitive spectacle.

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1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Did i say PL ride? The PJL is made up of riders totalling 8 stars. Most number 8s are 4 stars so the remaining riders will be 1.

Obviously 2022 list is hush hush but going off 2021 list the Millars, Butcher, Chattin, MacDonald, Smith, Woods etc. All 1 star riders who are potentially going to go to the tapes with a Thompson or Hume and try to provide a competitive spectacle.

But none of those named are on the rising star list !

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9 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

But none of those named are on the rising star list !

They were on the 2021 list. Has a 2022 been published?

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7 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

They were on the 2021 list. Has a 2022 been published?

As the programme only exists in the Premiership for 2022 you expect the likes of the Millars, Chatting etc to be included ???

No disrespect to them but they are not going to be mentioned as Premiership rising star candidates .

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No mention of Prem only in the regs and ultimately wouldn’t be enough riders to go round/fit. Most/all PL number 8s are going to be 3/4 star riders. They can only ride for one side so the rest is going to be much lower graded riders.

014.1.2 Rider Eligibility
Teams should have a regular squad of 4 riders.
Being an opportunity for young or inexperienced riders, the league is open
to: -
a) those holding a UK passport and an ACU licence.
b) holder of a valid SCB Registration
c) eligible and committed to the Rising Star programme
15-year-old riders on a 500cc motorcycles will be eligible and 
classified as a one Star rider.

014.1.3 Team Composition
Teams will consist of 4 riders with a maximum team build of 8 Stars or less
and may include the following: -
a) 15-year-old riders on 500cc motorcycle 
b) MSDL and NJL riders riding 500cc motorcycles
Guest ruling – any eligible rider who has not previously ridden for a 
PJL team and does not increase the team total above 8 stars.

Edited by Sings4Speedway

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1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

No mention of Prem only in the regs and ultimately wouldn’t be enough riders to go round/fit. Most/all PL number 8s are going to be 3/4 star riders. They can only ride for one side so the rest is going to be much lower graded riders.

014.1.2 Rider Eligibility
Teams should have a regular squad of 4 riders.
Being an opportunity for young or inexperienced riders, the league is open
to: -
a) those holding a UK passport and an ACU licence.
b) holder of a valid SCB Registration
c) eligible and committed to the Rising Star programme
15-year-old riders on a 500cc motorcycles will be eligible and 
classified as a one Star rider.

014.1.3 Team Composition
Teams will consist of 4 riders with a maximum team build of 8 Stars or less
and may include the following: -
a) 15-year-old riders on 500cc motorcycle 
b) MSDL and NJL riders riding 500cc motorcycles
Guest ruling – any eligible rider who has not previously ridden for a 
PJL team and does not increase the team total above 8 stars.

Yep….014.1.2. section C.

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