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OUCH!  Only 350, and most of those will be paying concessionary admission... As I say, OUCH!

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On 6/23/2022 at 10:52 AM, geoff100 said:

It really is simple ,its not a full time job but a good hobby that pays ,cut the wages snd take or leave,only prople who make money are stadium owners and tuners back to basics sure would work .

Paying over the top Money too the riders is a major factor.I agree take it or leave is the way to level things out and see where the sport stands, because at this rate is slowly going down the tubes.

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On 6/23/2022 at 1:10 PM, The Dog said:

Permanent signings and try and be as close as possible to the injured riders average 

Could you not just sign a rider on a week to week contract,or even day to day.In most occupations that would seem immoral,but this is speedway,and needs must.

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On 6/23/2022 at 10:52 AM, geoff100 said:

It really is simple ,its not a full time job but a good hobby that pays ,cut the wages snd take or leave,only prople who make money are stadium owners and tuners back to basics sure would work .

There's a lot of truth in what you say. Unfortunately you'll never get the idiots running the show to agree. I remember 10 years or so ago when the so called Wage Cap was agreed at Championship level. all promoters agreed to a agreed maximum of £55 a point for the good of the sport. Then the exact same people who agreed to it broke it within hours of it coming in.

You can't have them regulating their own rules, and they will never agree to someone else regulating them, so they will get exactly what they deserve. They will destroy the sport inside the next decade, probably sooner.

As for Birmingham, I'm told their rent is now £2.5k a meeting, so they need at least 150 a meeting just to pay the rent. If your home meetings also have to cover the cost of your away meeting points money, so every home meeting has to generate income for eg 90 points at £50 a point which is £4500, that's another 250 people. Those two costs may well be your biggest, but the other expenses add up massively. Birmingham is a money pit of epic proportions. Tolley is going to lose his shirt, but the honourable man will pay the bills and take the hit. Fair play to him, but it's just not sustainable. Chances are we'll lose 5 clubs at the end of the season. Newcastle, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Poole and Peterborough form the 2023 calender.

Speedway in the UK operates INSPITE of the people in charge, not because of. This is not aimed at Birmingham, this is aimed at the sports owners and operators. You couldn't pick a more backward thinking, clueless bunch of numpties if you tried. 

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6 minutes ago, wtf said:

There's a lot of truth in what you say. Unfortunately you'll never get the idiots running the show to agree. I remember 10 years or so ago when the so called Wage Cap was agreed at Championship level. all promoters agreed to a agreed maximum of £55 a point for the good of the sport. Then the exact same people who agreed to it broke it within hours of it coming in.

You can't have them regulating their own rules, and they will never agree to someone else regulating them, so they will get exactly what they deserve. They will destroy the sport inside the next decade, probably sooner.

As for Birmingham, I'm told their rent is now £2.5k a meeting, so they need at least 150 a meeting just to pay the rent. If your home meetings also have to cover the cost of your away meeting points money, so every home meeting has to generate income for eg 90 points at £50 a point which is £4500, that's another 250 people. Those two costs may well be your biggest, but the other expenses add up massively. Birmingham is a money pit of epic proportions. Tolley is going to lose his shirt, but the honourable man will pay the bills and take the hit. Fair play to him, but it's just not sustainable. Chances are we'll lose 5 clubs at the end of the season. Newcastle, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Poole and Peterborough form the 2023 calender.

Speedway in the UK operates INSPITE of the people in charge, not because of. This is not aimed at Birmingham, this is aimed at the sports owners and operators. You couldn't pick a more backward thinking, clueless bunch of numpties if you tried. 

Poole won't be missing from the 2023 season!!

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On 6/22/2022 at 10:25 PM, *JJ said:

Tonight's result shows that there is no need for changes when the team all ride to their best.

Does that still apply after last nights result ?, Brummies need strengthening of that their is no doubt, but looking at Nigels comments that will take money which is in short supply, Iv no idea how to get out of this chicken and egg situation of strengthening teams without costing even more money, simply put Speedway continues to live above its means and until such time as the BSPL grasp the nettle clubs will continue to go to the wall, that nettle being riders wanting more money than whats actually being taken at the gate, and some Teams prepared to pay those riders over and above a realistic pay rate, Speedway is in a race to the bottom not a race to the top.

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2 hours ago, uk_martin said:

OUCH!  Only 350, and most of those will be paying concessionary admission... As I say, OUCH!

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I too was absolutely gobsmacked at the amount of money put in, how or why you would invest that much for no return whatsoever is lunacy. The tail wags the dog in speedway. 

History tells you that successful business people like Mr Tolley, Rick Frost, Allen Trump and Mick Horton to name a few, have struggled with our sport over the years so their is a major flaw in the way speedway operates and it needs to change before we lose it altogether. 

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54 minutes ago, wtf said:

There's a lot of truth in what you say. Unfortunately you'll never get the idiots running the show to agree. I remember 10 years or so ago when the so called Wage Cap was agreed at Championship level. all promoters agreed to a agreed maximum of £55 a point for the good of the sport. Then the exact same people who agreed to it broke it within hours of it coming in.

You can't have them regulating their own rules, and they will never agree to someone else regulating them, so they will get exactly what they deserve. They will destroy the sport inside the next decade, probably sooner.

As for Birmingham, I'm told their rent is now £2.5k a meeting, so they need at least 150 a meeting just to pay the rent. If your home meetings also have to cover the cost of your away meeting points money, so every home meeting has to generate income for eg 90 points at £50 a point which is £4500, that's another 250 people. Those two costs may well be your biggest, but the other expenses add up massively. Birmingham is a money pit of epic proportions. Tolley is going to lose his shirt, but the honourable man will pay the bills and take the hit. Fair play to him, but it's just not sustainable. Chances are we'll lose 5 clubs at the end of the season. Newcastle, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Poole and Peterborough form the 2023 calender.

Speedway in the UK operates INSPITE of the people in charge, not because of. This is not aimed at Birmingham, this is aimed at the sports owners and operators. You couldn't pick a more backward thinking, clueless bunch of numpties if you tried. 

Good points but Birminghams rent isn't that high

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Why do hundreds if not thousands ride moto x at weekends for fun yet speedway riders want a fortune to ride? Everyone who puts a leg over a bike deserves as much as possible yes ,but income has to be more than outgoings.go back to basics then maybe bikes will cost less,u dont need a van full,standard carbs and clutch a bit of dirt on the track and lets see racing .

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don’t think the home team pays the away team riders points think it’s only something towards there travel 

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17 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Why do hundreds if not thousands ride moto x at weekends for fun yet speedway riders want a fortune to ride? Everyone who puts a leg over a bike deserves as much as possible yes ,but income has to be more than outgoings.go back to basics then maybe bikes will cost less,u dont need a van full,standard carbs and clutch a bit of dirt on the track and lets see racing .

MX Rider pay to ride their bikes where practice days can be around £35 but you get to ride your bike for hours rather than minutes and not a lot of travel if your doing local club meetings ,unless you doing British championships  which is usually 2 days over a weekend where racing is more expensive to enter and everybody works monday to friday to help fund it and race at weekends nothing on weekdays but practice if you want  but it’s much the same in the pits on race days with riders turning up with 2 new tuned bikes every year and £50k motor homes less maintaince on mx bikes 

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18 minutes ago, M.D said:

Good points but Birminghams rent isn't that high

You would deffo hope it is much less rent given the poor following...........what is the the fan capacity at Perry Barr?  The photos I've seen lately seem to show not very much as regards spectator terracing, with a few dozen speccies visible.  Maybe there is plenty of seating inside, behind the glass, where there is a restaurant? My old venue of Derwent Park was a 10,000 limit with plenty of terracing and a decent grandstand.

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Just looked on the Brum twitter feed, no tagging of any Birmingham newspapers, Birmingham Live accounts or anything, surely they need to do all this to get the word out?

Is there any young people attending Birmingham speedway? 

The terracing is crap at Brum, you can't see in the pits, a few changes need to be made??

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30 minutes ago, mac101 said:

don’t think the home team pays the away team riders points think it’s only something towards there travel 

No but they pay for their own teams away matches points, so they fund their own team away from home. You have say 20 matches, 10 home 10 away, you have 10 opportunities to create enough income to pay for 20 matches worth of points, all for you own team

 

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3 hours ago, Trees said:

Just looked on the Brum twitter feed, no tagging of any Birmingham newspapers, Birmingham Live accounts or anything, surely they need to do all this to get the word out?

Is there any young people attending Birmingham speedway? 

The terracing is crap at Brum, you can't see in the pits, a few changes need to be made??

 Changes to the stadium layout would need the agreement of the landlords and are likely to prove expensive even if consent could be obtained 

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