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2022 Regulations - New Super Heat after Draw!!

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5 hours ago, FromBendThree said:

So will it now be possible for a rider to get a 25-point max?

No, as the "Super Heat" does not go on the Individual scoring chart.

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I get the theory behind this, to try and create some entertain towards the end of a meeting to get an overall winner - but to achieve that, surely you are better served to return to the old bonus point system and if the scores are tied on aggregate then go to a run off!

The scoring system is one of the few things British Speedway has got right in recent times… and now it was a success they’ve decided to balls it up! Can’t make it up!

 

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15 minutes ago, Najjer said:

I get the theory behind this, to try and create some entertain towards the end of a meeting to get an overall winner - but achieve that, surely you are better served to return to the old bonus point system and if the scores are tied on aggregate then go to a run off!

The scoring system is one of the few things British Speedway has got right in recent times… and now it was a success they’ve decided to balls it up! Can’t make it up!

But a bug bear , for a lot of people is drawn out meetings. Now, you could have a 15-20 minute interval after heat 10 or 12, a 5-10 minute gap for the nominated heat 15 + possible track grade then another 5+ minute gap for the same riders(probably) in heat 15 to have a tinker with their bikes while another track grade takes place.

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29 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

But a bug bear , for a lot of people is drawn out meetings. Now, you could have a 15-20 minute interval after heat 10 or 12, a 5-10 minute gap for the nominated heat 15 + possible track grade then another 5+ minute gap for the same riders(probably) in heat 15 to have a tinker with their bikes while another track grade takes place.

I quite agree - hence the introduction of the bonus point and the potential for more excitement with aggregate scores and a potential run off too is much better… than trying to decide a winner from a drawn match!

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1 hour ago, Najjer said:

I get the theory behind this, to try and create some entertain towards the end of a meeting to get an overall winner - but to achieve that, surely you are better served to return to the old bonus point system and if the scores are tied on aggregate then go to a run off!

The scoring system is one of the few things British Speedway has got right in recent times… and now it was a success they’ve decided to balls it up! Can’t make it up!

 

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Definitely, although maybe 4 points for 8 or more away win.

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What happens if the curfew time is hit before the super heat takes place,,, do the then do a silent one lap running race.

It's pretty much been invented for TV,, so the 2 clowns commentating can cream their pants telling us,, we will have a winner tonight. 

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Seems a stupid idea to me. There's no need for it, what was wrong with a draw?

Also as has been seen in the SON. Someone falls on the first lap or touches the tapes etc & you get the boring situation of a virtually pointless re-run where only one team can win with the 4,3,2,0 scoring system being used.

Also cannot understand why they'd introduce a rule change like this & not announce it?

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21 hours ago, IronScorpion said:

No, as the "Super Heat" does not go on the Individual scoring chart.

Thanks for the reply. Supplemtary question: will the winner get paid for four points?

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On 3/11/2022 at 9:44 AM, bigcatdiary said:

I should think it’s not been communicated because it’s took some time to sort it out.

Maximum no of rides, tape and time exclusions, penalties etc for riders, falls on the first bend, machinery problems as a result of a first bend crash, or riders getting injured as a result all come into play and I should think as per usual the person thinking up this brainwave up hasn’t thought of any of these problems and just thought it would be a good idea, a bit like Promotion and Relegation and all the other super two or three year plans that get ditched after one year.

This has proposed for Televised matches written all over it. 

And for the record their were four draws in the Premiership last year.

Agree with all of that (amazingly ;)).

The 2021 Prem table would not have been impacted - but the 2019 outcome definitely would have.  A point between Poole & Swindon at the top, and two points between Wolves (43), Ipswich (42) and Belle Vue (41) for 4th, 5th, and 6th - and each of those teams was involved in a least one draw (including Ipswich at Wolves).

PS: I e-mailed both BSPA and SCB offices to ask "Why", and received this simple reply from Neil Vatcher: "To make drawn fixtures more exciting Dave, lets see what happens!"  Clearly it is ''good idea' that someone has had, and no thought has been put into it.

They forget of course that the BSN will televise matches this year - if there's a draw in the Champs, it stays that way - what a 'good idea' for casual viewers, who will wonder why a draw in the Prem requires an artificial result to be manufactured.

 

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In any league a draw is a result which forms part of its overall process..

Therefore. At the end of the season the league should reflect the results from every meeting that takes place that either gets completed or called as such...

No league table should reflect what happens in just one race within a meeting...

If that's the case then just have one heat per meeting...

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An away team has probably rode well to get a draw only for it to be taken away by a super heat advantage to the home side who would no doubt put out their top rider, can,t see what,s fair about that. why don,t they leave things as they are.

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1 hour ago, mikebv said:

In any league a draw is a result which forms part of its overall process..

Therefore. At the end of the season the league should reflect the results from every meeting that takes place that either gets completed or called as such...

No league table should reflect what happens in just one race within a meeting...

If that's the case then just have one heat per meeting...

It already does ..... Heat 15

Score after 14 heats 40 - 44

Heat 15 5-0    3 points home    1 point away

               4-2    0 points home    3 points away

               3-3    0 points home    3 points away

               2-4    0 points home    4 points away

               1-5    0 points home    4 points away

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48 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

It already does ..... Heat 15

Score after 14 heats 40 - 44

Heat 15 5-0    3 points home    1 point away

               4-2    0 points home    3 points away

               3-3    0 points home    3 points away

               2-4    0 points home    4 points away

               1-5    0 points home    4 points away

Heat 15 is within the meeting, so even if it influences the final result it is still the 'whole meeting' that provides the final scores, and actually often Heat 15 has zero bearing on an overall result, given a team can be too far behind to score any points when it takes place...

This extra heat basically dismisses what has gone before and provides the result of the match...

Maybe if the curfew is near they will do "Rock, Paper, Scissors"...

Best of 3 obviously as it would be daft if they only did it once....

 

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Reading today's article in the Speedway Star about the various rules and regs across the leagues, it just shows how shambolic the sport is. Basically, different rules to decide meetings in each league - talk about over-complicated!!

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12 minutes ago, frigbo said:

Reading today's article in the Speedway Star about the various rules and regs across the leagues, it just shows how shambolic the sport is. Basically, different rules to decide meetings in each league - talk about over-complicated!!

I think they had it right with the 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 system. I think that worked well. They should have stuck with that.

Unbelievable that they changed that because sometimes supporters went home disappointed that they didn't get 3 points after winning at home and now have a system where home supporters might go home disappointed with not getting a point after getting a draw. 

The response to someone querying it says it all really. "Let's see." Brilliant.

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