iainb 4,962 Posted April 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Skodaman said: I did not see the Brummies match and therefore can't comment. Last nights match was not entertaining other than a coule of races. Last weeks match was more entertaining despite the score. The last heat was pretty special though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Honey Monster 47 Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, bloom89 said: Lindgren had a couple of away tracks he was ok at the others he was useless. IMO with the experience Clegg has he shouldn't be scoring zero anywhere. Only a puncture stopped Cleggy from scoring a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HectorRacing 51 Posted April 10, 2022 Wont it be hard to find riders currently? Since the seasons not really began? plus we are on a budget, so gotta make do. I will still to go all home games, we can just hope bwd/etc all find their way again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 2,984 Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: If these are the types of teams we can put together based on our budget, we should be going National League instead until we find more budget, we clearly can't afford the Championship now?? Racing is better in the NL anyway Unless all Championship teams build to Newcastle strength & have a clear gap between Prem & Champ! Also make it easier for NDL riders to step up! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigred 187 Posted April 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Unless all Championship teams build to Newcastle strength & have a clear gap between Prem & Champ! Also make it easier for NDL riders to step up! That’s the thing,premier and championship leagues are all the same riders with a different bib on.there’s no such thing as “elite” anymore.1 big league (even ifs split into north &south) and ndl league is the way to go surely … 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M.D 462 Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, bigred said: That’s the thing,premier and championship leagues are all the same riders with a different bib on.there’s no such thing as “elite” anymore.1 big league (even ifs split into north &south) and ndl league is the way to go surely … We don't have enough available riders for one league 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FishersGate 518 Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Skodaman said: I did not see the Brummies match and therefore can't comment. Last nights match was not entertaining other than a coule of races. Last weeks match was more entertaining despite the score. There were a few decent races last night especially with Paul Starke and Kyle howarth. I enjoyed myself regardless of the score.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,240 Posted April 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: If these are the types of teams we can put together based on our budget, we should be going National League instead until we find more budget, we clearly can't afford the Championship now?? Racing is better in the NL anyway Indeed .. Common sense isnt it? But whilst UK Speedway ludicrously allows clubs to "pick and choose" which league they want to race in then it simply will carry on with out of their depth teams... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted April 10, 2022 If there is a maximum points limit for the top three riders in any team, there should be a minimum points level too. But there would also need to be some kind of payment assurance in place for these riders, to help counter reluctance to sign with certain clubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teromaafan 586 Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Al said: If there is a maximum points limit for the top three riders in any team, there should be a minimum points level too. But there would also need to be some kind of payment assurance in place for these riders, to help counter reluctance to sign with certain clubs. It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,393 Posted April 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. because they'd make private arrangements 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enotian 562 Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. Because you want to be entertained by watching two teams who have at least a realistic chance of being at least competitive. Unless you're entertained by whitewashes against cannon fodder. If you think it through restricting teams to one rider over 8.00 points at the start of the season results in supply exceeding demand. Which means every team might benefit from reduced demands from those no1's. The richest teams will still secure the best no1 riders and inevitably the best teams but at least they'll face competitive opposition. Or maybe we should just cut out the middle man and hold an auction to decide who pays most to win a title? Would avoid losing money on those zero entertainment matches against woefully weak opposition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,240 Posted April 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. UK Speedway is unique in that you basically choose your own level to compete in... You get hardly any publicity for winning anything and there is no major financial reward for victory... In fact. Success can (and has), helped close tracks down... There is no promotion or relegation meaning that many meetings become pretty much 'dead rubbers' as we hit mid season, given it is often clear by then who will qualify for the play offs and who won't... And. Getting beat regularly at home can dissuade home fans from attending but similarly, hammering teams regularly at home can also have the same negative impact to crowd levels,, especially when play off positions are virtually assured months out, and weak opposition are in town... Therefore. Having close racing throughout a meeting, and keeping scores close enough to remain "interesting" has to be the major priority, and the only way to do that is equally share out those riders who make the main difference to both the racing standard and the score line, ie. The Heat Leaders.. And if that means a deadline in place of say December for each team to say they will run then so be it, and should they come to the table after that then they run NDL... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dog 413 Posted April 11, 2022 A friend of mine who usually takes 5 people to a meeting gave it a miss on Saturday because they were bored with the one-sidedness of the the previous meetings. She will now pick and choose which meetings to watch for entertainment and I'm sure there's a few more like this. Not Leicesters fault obviously but it does highlight the need for the league to be competitive to keep people interested 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,164 Posted April 11, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: UK Speedway is unique in that you basically choose your own level to compete in... You get hardly any publicity for winning anything and there is no major financial reward for victory... In fact. Success can (and has), helped close tracks down... There is no promotion or relegation meaning that many meetings become pretty much 'dead rubbers' as we hit mid season, given it is often clear by then who will qualify for the play offs and who won't... And. Getting beat regularly at home can dissuade home fans from attending but similarly, hammering teams regularly at home can also have the same negative impact to crowd levels,, especially when play off positions are virtually assured months out, and weak opposition are in town... Therefore. Having close racing throughout a meeting, and keeping scores close enough to remain "interesting" has to be the major priority, and the only way to do that is equally share out those riders who make the main difference to both the racing standard and the score line, ie. The Heat Leaders.. And if that means a deadline in place of say December for each team to say they will run then so be it, and should they come to the table after that then they run NDL... You make some good points but the best is close and good racing throughout the meeting. Spectators pay to be entertained with real racing not trapping competitions and 4 laps of follow the leader. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
