IronScorpion 1,399 Posted May 5, 2022 There has been quite a few instances on the updates site of riders giving up when at the back. (cruising round & not racing) What, in your opinion, would a race score be if a rider gives up(cruising not racing) & the rider in 3rd has a problem( engine, chain or fall) & does not cross the line. The rider in 4th continues round & crosses the line. Does he get that point? Note; do NOT check Rules & Regs for an answer! Opinions please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,683 Posted May 5, 2022 Yes he gets the point and do he should as he finished 3rd!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted May 5, 2022 There have been cases where a rider has been excluded by the referee for not making an attempt to race. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,683 Posted May 5, 2022 1 minute ago, MARK246 said: There have been cases where a rider has been excluded by the referee for not making an attempt to race. Over 30 years ago perhaps No such regulation exists any longer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted May 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Over 30 years ago perhaps No such regulation exists any longer Hard to tell now, who is not trying and who is fixing their averages I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edmon 161 Posted May 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No such regulation exists any longer Yes there is SR 011.1.18 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,901 Posted May 6, 2022 7 hours ago, IronScorpion said: There has been quite a few instances on the updates site of riders giving up when at the back. (cruising round & not racing) What, in your opinion, would a race score be if a rider gives up(cruising not racing) & the rider in 3rd has a problem( engine, chain or fall) & does not cross the line. The rider in 4th continues round & crosses the line. Does he get that point? Note; do NOT check Rules & Regs for an answer! Opinions please. The 'not trying to race' regulation is there for a specific reason and I don't think really intended for riders still in the race. I suppose they could theoretically be excluded from the race under that regulation, but what's to say they're not having engine issues of their own? So provided they complete the race within the time limit, it's reasonable to award the point. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
False dawn 2,287 Posted May 6, 2022 To be honest, the issue of whether the regulations rule on this subject is rather academic. However, I think that riders who give up when they are last, are universally disliked by fans. I've took to putting CBA in my programmes (couldn't be *****). It's clear that the only way to cut out this habit of not racing to the flag is for team managers to kick a few behinds. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,399 Posted May 6, 2022 .......... and most of the time it is the top/better riders that are doing this. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted May 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: .......... and most of the time it is the top/better riders that are doing this. running a last and not making an effort ! could be that they have 2 on the trot , machine probs and saving themselves and their machine for the following heat . . its part of the sport and i dont see why fans should take the huff GET OVER IT . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,387 Posted May 6, 2022 1968 Teesside v Canterbury, Pat Flanaghan and Ken Vale rode around on a 1-5 waving at the crowd. Can't remember what consequences were, I was 10 tbf. Same meeting Tyburn Gallows cleared the fence and the dog track in a nasty spill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,853 Posted May 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: The 'not trying to race' regulation is there for a specific reason and I don't think really intended for riders still in the race. I suppose they could theoretically be excluded from the race under that regulation, but what's to say they're not having engine issues of their own? So provided they complete the race within the time limit, it's reasonable to award the point. I do remember an indoor meeting in Kiel, possibly 10 years ago with Tobi Kroner and Matten Kröger for instance. On a concrete floor and quite tricky. Think Tobi broke his leg the first day and so the field was quite depleted on the second day. Anyway, to get to the point, in one heat there were a number of falls or exclusions, and only one rider left, when the heat restarted. Not sure who it was, but he was excluded for not racing !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,901 Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, iris123 said: I do remember an indoor meeting in Kiel, possibly 10 years ago with Tobi Kroner and Matten Kröger for instance. On a concrete floor and quite tricky. Think Tobi broke his leg the first day and so the field was quite depleted on the second day. Anyway, to get to the point, in one heat there were a number of falls or exclusions, and only one rider left, when the heat restarted. Not sure who it was, but he was excluded for not racing !!!! It also happened some years ago at Coventry from memory. 3 riders were excluded and only Rick Miller was left in the race, who was then excluded for pulling wheelies! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigdave 31 Posted May 6, 2022 At Workington's first ever away league meeting in April 1970 at Rochdale, in heat 8 both home riders fell and were excluded. In the re-run, Mal McKay and Chris Blythe of Workington were then excluded at the end of the heat by the referee for not racing each other, leading to a 0-0 heat result. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,853 Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: It also happened some years ago at Coventry from memory. 3 riders were excluded and only Rick Miller was left in the race, who was then excluded for pulling wheelies! It is often ridiculous, because I witnessed a meeting at Ludwigslust once where there was a run/off for whatever it was on the line and the two riders had agreed beforehand to put on a show and just rode side by side popping wheelies all the time. Neither was excluded and the fans were spilt between the ‘ it was great’ camp and the ‘ I have been robbed of a proper race ‘ camp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites