tyretrax 2,252 Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Which is something that could've should've been addressed at the time when the track was altered,,, many moons ago? Obviously it should have been. When the track at Shawfield was being cut there was a manhole for a drain which would have been in the middle of the track on the entry to the first turn. It was reduced by about a foot lid replaced and covered over with shale, it never caused any problems with the track. Edited May 11, 2022 by tyretrax Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted May 11, 2022 4 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Which is something that could've should've been addressed at the time when the track was altered,,, many moons ago? It wasn't an issue then and it has taken over 20 years before it became a problem, more through lack of shale covering the area. Never good to dig big holes on a racing line midseason and then getting the correct compaction to save it breaking up. Big changes like Glasgow did, are usually carried out off season to allow some natural settling in period. Shale and water react to each other pressure and that takes time to be complete.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: It wasn't an issue then and it has taken over 20 years before it became a problem, more through lack of shale covering the area. Never good to dig big holes on a racing line midseason and then getting the correct compaction to save it breaking up. Big changes like Glasgow did, are usually carried out off season to allow some natural settling in period. Shale and water react to each other pressure and that takes time to be complete.. Never a good job to just paper over the cracks,,, good prep is always the way forward. Back in the day a suppose there wasn't much thought for the future tho and corner cutting was possibly more likely to go on, maybe cutting bends in this case? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted May 11, 2022 Hadrians wall rears it’s ugly head now and again, if you don’t keep the top stuff in good condition then the past makes an appearance. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinderfella 865 Posted May 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Hadrians wall rears it’s ugly head now and again, if you don’t keep the top stuff in good condition then the past makes an appearance. Especially when the Picts come over the Border 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Diamondboy said: Hadrians wall rears it’s ugly head now and again, if you don’t keep the top stuff in good condition then the past makes an appearance. 30 minutes ago, cinderfella said: Especially when the Picts come over the Border Aye, could always extend Segedugum or whatever its called? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Never a good job to just paper over the cracks,,, good prep is always the way forward. Back in the day a suppose there wasn't much thought for the future tho and corner cutting was possibly more likely to go on, maybe cutting bends in this case? There was no cost cutting or papering over the cracks RD. A decision was made to give more racing lines, and try to improve the racing, and that quick fix has lasted over 20 years till shale has been spared later. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tsunami said: There was no cost cutting or papering over the cracks RD. A decision was made to give more racing lines, and try to improve the racing, and that quick fix has lasted over 20 years till shale has been spared later. Would definitely make for a good episode of Vera? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viper 126 Posted May 12, 2022 23 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Never a good job to just paper over the cracks,,, good prep is always the way forward. Back in the day a suppose there wasn't much thought for the future tho and corner cutting was possibly more likely to go on, maybe cutting bends in this case? Erm what a load of rubbish. The changes were made years ago and the alterations were done perfectly but the lack of investment into the track and the fact it has got more and more down to the base is not anything to do with the way it was handled at the time. If the track had more shale added and been looked after the problem wouldn’t exist, the lack of shale has exposed the base of the track and led to the present position. I am sick of the excuses pointing a finger at the old promotion, yes there was issues but the problem with the track, team and the comms are all down to the present owners. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Viper said: Erm what a load of rubbish. The changes were made years ago and the alterations were done perfectly but the lack of investment into the track and the fact it has got more and more down to the base is not anything to do with the way it was handled at the time. If the track had more shale added and been looked after the problem wouldn’t exist, the lack of shale has exposed the base of the track and led to the present position. I am sick of the excuses pointing a finger at the old promotion, yes there was issues but the problem with the track, team and the comms are all down to the present owners. 'Perfectly',,, so by looks of it, the old kerb stones were lifted out of they're foundations and filled in with shale. If you see that as 'perfect' then so be it. What's that saying about putting lipstick on a pig? Suppose its akin to having a tooth filled, the filling won't last forever and will eventually come out and am sure the dentist knows that, it's a root problem. As far as finger pointing and so on, its not good,,, but there seems to be many ready with they're knives out to stick them in. Maybe some bad blood around? Edited May 12, 2022 by ruffdiamond 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil83 32 Posted May 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Viper said: Erm what a load of rubbish. The changes were made years ago and the alterations were done perfectly but the lack of investment into the track and the fact it has got more and more down to the base is not anything to do with the way it was handled at the time. If the track had more shale added and been looked after the problem wouldn’t exist, the lack of shale has exposed the base of the track and led to the present position. I am sick of the excuses pointing a finger at the old promotion, yes there was issues but the problem with the track, team and the comms are all down to the present owners. How can you blame rob or Dave for the track when the kerb was removed when Jesper Olsen rode at Newcastle not when rob and Dave had anything to do with it the issue was noticed and was being fixed this weekend anyway which was communicated in the program on page one and the track was short of shale for years not just the last two years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Phil83 said: How can you blame rob or Dave for the track when the kerb was removed when Jesper Olsen rode at Newcastle not when rob and Dave had anything to do with it the issue was noticed and was being fixed this weekend anyway which was communicated in the program on page one and the track was short of shale for years not just the last two years Hasn't there been a problem with standing water/drainage on that area of the track and wasn't it to be investigated further?,,, maybe the Grace St canal had became blocked (with shale). It's a poisoned chalice. Edited May 12, 2022 by ruffdiamond Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil83 32 Posted May 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Hasn't there been a problem with standing water/drainage on that area of the track and wasn't it to be investigated further?,,, maybe the Grace St canal had became blocked (with shale). It's a poisoned chalice. The club can’t be blamed for the drainage when the dogs won’t allow any drainage around the centre green so keep pointing fingers and I will shoot you down when you have no clue 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinderfella 865 Posted May 12, 2022 So just when did Brough Park become Rough Park? I remember visiting in the 70s to see the great Diamonds team with the Owen Brothers overseen by the late Ian Thomas and the track never seemed to be problematic. Likewise in the early 2000s. So is it down to neglect, poor maintenance and mis- management or is the old lady just starting to show her age? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Phil83 said: The club can’t be blamed for the drainage when the dogs won’t allow any drainage around the centre green so keep pointing fingers and I will shoot you down when you have no clue Hmmm, whose pointing fingers at who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
