Fina 78 Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Jaizer said: I guess technically you could have 6 guests and r/r in operation plus a number 8? Ok. Guess its a tricky one to make rules on as high risk sport, so probability of genuine rider absence is high, but too many guests and you start to question whether it really is X team getting that result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS50 355 Posted May 19, 2022 I have often thought that guests should be neutrally appointed. Problem would be, who would take up this " poison challis". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, brianbuck said: Once again the speedway season is being blighted by the rampant and seemingly out of control use of guest riders, many of whom seem to be far superior to the riders that they are replacing. Perhaps it would be a useful idea to introduce a rule to the effect that: 1. A guest rider cannot be used as a tactical substitute. 2. A guest rider cannot be nominated for a heat 15 ride. Any thoughts on something like this? They only seem to be superior.Averages dictate. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fina 78 Posted May 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Maybe there shouldn't be any team members apart from 2 managers. The first 14 or 16 riders to rock-up are in, the 2 managers can do rock, paper, scissors to see who gets 1st pick and so on? Memories of the frequent humiliation of being picked last for teams at school sports coming back now! LOL Too riders out injured and it might come to that tho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluenose 74 Posted May 19, 2022 The one thing that eeked me was last night !, opposing sides Guest got stuck in traffic at 5pm, so in my eyes that team should of used R/R, with reserves taking his rides till he turns up , not using another Guest who's fixture was postponed earlier in the day, It is making a mockery of the sport. We have seen teams riders turn up late before haven't we.? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teromaafan 573 Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, brianbuck said: Once again the speedway season is being blighted by the rampant and seemingly out of control use of guest riders, many of whom seem to be far superior to the riders that they are replacing. Perhaps it would be a useful idea to introduce a rule to the effect that: 1. A guest rider cannot be used as a tactical substitute. 2. A guest rider cannot be nominated for a heat 15 ride. Any thoughts on something like this? How about third rule. 3. A guest rider cannot be called Chris Harris. (That should do it). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted May 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bluenose said: The one thing that eeked me was last night !, opposing sides Guest got stuck in traffic at 5pm, so in my eyes that team should of used R/R, with reserves taking his rides till he turns up , not using another Guest who's fixture was postponed earlier in the day, It is making a mockery of the sport. We have seen teams riders turn up late before haven't we.? When Bomber turns up to guest there should be a rule that he can only Guest for the HOME Team.that should keep everybody happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,047 Posted May 19, 2022 All teams are doing it though and making themselves much stronger Plymouth - Harris/Lawson for Kennett Birmingham - Howarth for Auty Newcastle - literally anyone for BWD not loads of ways around it in all honesty short of running R/R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,623 Posted May 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Just ban them.Or make it count towards their average. That would be bomber goosed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaizer 2,798 Posted May 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: When Bomber turns up to guest there should be a rule that he can only Guest for the HOME Team.that should keep everybody happy. To think I was joking Yesterday about Harris taking Morris's place at Oxford!! It's obviously just being accentuated this season with 2/3 riders who it's pretty clear not returning and one rider showing up at the majority of the tracks in their place. I don't see an alternative, don't think be able to limit number of bookings and r/r for no.1 never going to cut it. Squad systems maybe but we've hardly enough riders to go around as it is so pretty much a non starter as things stand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluenose 74 Posted May 19, 2022 Does this not mean the away side have to name their team 4 days before said meeting, naming guests included ?.,or have i got it wrong ? REG,s 2022 .010.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS Home teams must notify their opponents of the team line-up at least 5 days before the meeting to which the away team must respond within 24 hours with their team line-up. Notifications must be in writing, include MA’s and where applicable, the reason for facilities being used. At least 3 days before the meeting, the home promotion must log the team line-ups, including PJL, NJL and MSDL teams, at the nominated SCB website. The information must include each riders MA, details of any rider in a team’s current declaration who will be missing, the full reason for absence and the facility being used along with the name and MA of any guest rider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, Bluenose said: Does this not mean the away side have to name their team 4 days before said meeting, naming guests included ?.,or have i got it wrong ? REG,s 2022 .010.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS Home teams must notify their opponents of the team line-up at least 5 days before the meeting to which the away team must respond within 24 hours with their team line-up. Notifications must be in writing, include MA’s and where applicable, the reason for facilities being used. At least 3 days before the meeting, the home promotion must log the team line-ups, including PJL, NJL and MSDL teams, at the nominated SCB website. The information must include each riders MA, details of any rider in a team’s current declaration who will be missing, the full reason for absence and the facility being used along with the name and MA of any guest rider. Am sure in the past, Newcastle couldn't use a guest, at Edinburgh a think. It may have been someone like Kenneth Hansen for Tero?,,, there was something mentioned about 72 hours notice, may well have just been an excuse, but hey-ho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris116 754 Posted May 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, Bluenose said: Does this not mean the away side have to name their team 4 days before said meeting, naming guests included ?.,or have i got it wrong ? REG,s 2022 .010.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS Home teams must notify their opponents of the team line-up at least 5 days before the meeting to which the away team must respond within 24 hours with their team line-up. Notifications must be in writing, include MA’s and where applicable, the reason for facilities being used. At least 3 days before the meeting, the home promotion must log the team line-ups, including PJL, NJL and MSDL teams, at the nominated SCB website. The information must include each riders MA, details of any rider in a team’s current declaration who will be missing, the full reason for absence and the facility being used along with the name and MA of any guest rider. If the above is true then how can a rider replace the notified guest on the day of an meeting when the new guest's meeting has been postponed? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,225 Posted May 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chris116 said: If the above is true then how can a rider replace the notified guest on the day of an meeting when the new guest's meeting has been postponed? Rule: In the best interest of the sport comes into play. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,605 Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jaizer said: I guess technically you could have 6 guests and r/r in operation plus a number 8? Redcar once named a team consisting of 6 guests and r/r for a fixture at Sheffield in 2017. Luckily for the sport's credibility it was rained off. When restaged Redcar only tracked 5 guests (+ r/r and Jonas B Anderson) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites