Guest riders

[GiveusaB 1,123]

13 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

Last night from what I've read and heard in the local media Nick Morris contacted someone, I don't know who  at approx 5pm to say he was stuck on the M5 due to an accident and unlikely to get there.

Oxford then contacted Bomber who's meeting at Poole had been called off early morning due to the poor weather forecast, a Len Silver special but proved correct. 

I don't have a clue where in the Midlands Bomber lives but when contacted he could get to Perry Barr and was happy to accept the booking. 

TBH any Birmingham fan who was at Oxford on Tuesday must have seen Nick Morris busting a gut on a heavy track that he's not ridden before to score points and earn money. So  as he's ridden Birmingham plenty of times do any of you think it made much difference ?

 

It definitely made a difference... Morris is nowhere near Bombers standard at PB.

However,  on the flip side, Kyle Howarth is streets ahead of Auty....so I think it evened itself.

 

[Tosh1218 588]

16 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

Last night from what I've read and heard in the local media Nick Morris contacted someone, I don't know who  at approx 5pm to say he was stuck on the M5 due to an accident and unlikely to get there.

Oxford then contacted Bomber who's meeting at Poole had been called off early morning due to the poor weather forecast, a Len Silver special but proved correct. 

I don't have a clue where in the Midlands Bomber lives but when contacted he could get to Perry Barr and was happy to accept the booking. 

TBH any Birmingham fan who was at Oxford on Tuesday must have seen Nick Morris busting a gut on a heavy track that he's not ridden before to score points and earn money. So  as he's ridden Birmingham plenty of times do any of you think it made much difference ?

 

I’m sure Bomber is based in Rugby

[szkocjasid 2,944]

At the moment you can use a guest at home with +5% added to their ave and a guest away up to their ave.

Simple change would be at home use missing riders ave, away use missing riders ave -5%? It's easier to strengthen up away using "horses for courses".

I have no issues with guests, but feel the biggest issue is team being stronger using guests!

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

8 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

I have no issues with guests, but feel the biggest issue is team being stronger using guests!

Well,,, probably stronger than using an injured rider or one that isn't there/double booked? 

Maybe guests only for injured riders, not ones away doing other stuff, even meeting royalty. Maybe have some eligibility on compassionate grounds tho.

[RS50 359]

Would anyone like a return to the days when, if two equal riders of both teams (say each team number 1) was missing, both teams promoted a number 8 to the team, and adjusted the riding order?

[GiveusaB 1,123]

34 minutes ago, RS50 said:

Would anyone like a return to the days when, if two equal riders of both teams (say each team number 1) was missing, both teams promoted a number 8 to the team, and adjusted the riding order?

Not for me...seeing the best possible riders is more value for money imo.

[Bagpuss 10,748]

But at least they'd be your own riders and not borrowed from another team. It's daft that a rider could score points as a guest which rules his own club out of Play Offs for example! 

[ch958 2,390]

15 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

But at least they'd be your own riders and not borrowed from another team. It's daft that a rider could score points as a guest which rules his own club out of Play Offs for example! 

the question is do they bite the bullet or not re guests, my guess is they don't and it gets kicked down the road (a cul de sac)

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

1 hour ago, RS50 said:

Would anyone like a return to the days when, if two equal riders of both teams (say each team number 1) was missing, both teams promoted a number 8 to the team, and adjusted the riding order?

What if only 1 team has a rider missing tho?

[Jaizer 2,847]

13 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

What if only 1 team has a rider missing tho?

And how do you get teams to agree the rider missing is of equivalent level?

[Fromafar 10,318]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

But at least they'd be your own riders and not borrowed from another team. It's daft that a rider could score points as a guest which rules his own club out of Play Offs for example! 

The credibility has long gone,I just go to see a decent meeting whoever’s riding.It won’t get sorted out nowadays.

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

30 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

And how do you get teams to agree the rider missing is of equivalent level?

Money?

,,, or rock,paper, scissors. 

[enotian 562]

On 5/20/2022 at 6:55 AM, Bagpuss said:

I really dislike guests but just like penalty shoot outs there isn't a workable alternative unfortunately. 

first goal counts double (in the event of a draw at full or extra time). Rangers would have won or Frankfurt would have needed to score another to win.  Penalties only for nil nil games.  Sorted. [also England would have won Euro 2020 on this basis]

as for speedway it's all become a bit like WWF hasn't it.  they might as well just ensure every match ends 46-44 because that's what everyone wants. I exaggerate.

too many instances of riders missing fixtures because they're here or there or just don't fancy riding a certain track as they don't think they'll score enough to make it worthwhile, to have any workable alternative. Plus the standard of #8's compared to the standard of CL heat leaders wouldn't make much of a spectacle. To the extent there are now guests for reserves!!!

I've wondered in the past if a match points handicap system would be a better alternative to guests.  For example if you have a 6 point rider missing, replace them with a 2 point #8 but add 4 points to the teams match score. R/R in the first instance of course

Depends on what you want to see.  A genuine team sport or matches with the best possible 14 riders available?  Regardless the current lack of riders and the numerous reasons for riders missing matches mean that guests are inevitable. 

 

[Teromaafan 585]

The number of guests used in the Championship is becoming a farce. They are supposed to be used to cover genuine (yeah, I know not really a word associated with the sport) injuries/absences. The likes of Newcastle and Brum continue to use guests for riders they signed that will never be seen again and almost every guest used makes them stronger due replaced riders on inflated averages that would only fall if they raced. These two teams are therefore stronger than they would be, which means they are not quite as crap as they would otherwise be. Whilst we all want these teams in the sport, this approach is unsustainable and the governing body should intervene. In contrast, Plymouth are milking the system a treat. They have three decent standard heat leaders but are still able to use guests for a number one (on the way down) who is as likely to show up again as Lord Lucan.

Don’t know if this has been suggested before, but is it not reasonable to restrict a rider to a certain number of guest appearances per season? A maximum of 5 maybe?

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

4 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

The number of guests used in the Championship is becoming a farce. They are supposed to be used to cover genuine (yeah, I know not really a word associated with the sport) injuries/absences. The likes of Newcastle and Brum continue to use guests for riders they signed that will never be seen again and almost every guest used makes them stronger due replaced riders on inflated averages that would only fall if they raced. These two teams are therefore stronger than they would be, which means they are not quite as crap as they would otherwise be. Whilst we all want these teams in the sport, this approach is unsustainable and the governing body should intervene. In contrast, Plymouth are milking the system a treat. They have three decent standard heat leaders but are still able to use guests for a number one (on the way down) who is as likely to show up again as Lord Lucan.

Don’t know if this has been suggested before, but is it not reasonable to restrict a rider to a certain number of guest appearances per season? A maximum of 5 maybe?

Who is the governing body?

Edited June 15, 2022 by ruffdiamond