The Third Man 2,211 Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Spiderman1 said: Should of kept Allen,foolish Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Edited May 27, 2022 by The Third Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedtiger 327 Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. That’s astonishing and why speedway is in the financial mess it is in. How can paying this level of money be sustainable. Plus he’ll probably have his airfares and hotels paid on top all for 4/5 minutes work. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,211 Posted May 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Speedtiger said: That’s astonishing and why speedway is in the financial mess it is in. How can paying this level of money be sustainable. Plus he’ll probably have his airfares and hotels paid on top all for 4/5 minutes work. i was told they have a sponser who is paying half, as i said just told it by a BV fan, don't know if its true, but they were desperate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,605 Posted May 28, 2022 14 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Sounds completely OTT. Bt even if we assume it's half that then 19 minutes ago, The Third Man said: i was told they have a sponser who is paying half, as i said just told it by a BV fan, don't know if its true, but they were desperate £400 x 10 pts per meeting (from 5 rides should be achievable for a rider of Matej's calibre) x 20 meetings (ignoring Summer doodah and play-offs) x 50%: gives: £40,000 That would be one he'll of a sponsorship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BV66 34 Posted May 28, 2022 The same discussion took place on the forum last time Zagar was at Belle Vue. The question is is he value for money, and in my opinion a definite NO. This Belle Vue team must be one of the most expensive they have had in recent years, and looking at their current form the management are not going to get any reward out of it. Early days, but I have my doubts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,245 Posted May 28, 2022 16 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Yeah Allen scoring 0 there last time made us so much better. so a fan told you that and you believed them lol! Do you believe everything someone tells you? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,245 Posted May 28, 2022 20 hours ago, wtf said: My concern for Belle Vue is that too many times Fricke in particular goes missing in the first part of meetings. Sure he gets going in the later stages and his scores over the whole night don't look too bad, but by then, often the meeting is lost. Your #1 sets the tone for the meeting. in 3:4 home meetings Belle Vue have conceded a 5:1 in heat one. He needs to be more competitive in Heat 1. That would be a concern. Brady goes missing on occasion too. Can be very inconsistent. Wright does seem to be the only one who even if he doesn't have speed or the perfect set up will actually fight and not give up. Fricke has been poor this year in Poland and Sweden too but then suddenly pulled out that outstanding SGP win in Warsaw from no where. I’m not concerned at the moment, we know what he can do and sure he will perform at business end of the season. 18 hours ago, 4thbender said: Do they still look like the real deal? looks more like a dud deal to me. 17 hours ago, TTT said: Not anymore they don't. I've way overrated them tbh. HL's have been a huge let down. Fricke has been very poor for a GP rider, Kurtz has been very inconsistent and Zagar would be a perfect fit for our Dad's Army side going by his performances in the engine room this season. Charles Wright has been good though. Couple wins you saying going to win the league, now after a defeat at Sheffield saying overrated lol. Was you saying that about Sheffield last week when they lost to Wolves. Nothing is won in May, only need to finish in top 4 then it all starts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,187 Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rob B said: Fricke has been poor this year in Poland and Sweden too but then suddenly pulled out that outstanding SGP win in Warsaw from no where. I’m not concerned at the moment, we know what he can do and sure he will perform at business end of the season. Couple wins you saying going to win the league, now after a defeat at Sheffield saying overrated lol. Was you saying that about Sheffield last week when they lost to Wolves. Nothing is won in May, only need to finish in top 4 then it all starts. I wondered where you got to after Thursday night's battering. You normally pipe up within seconds. That battering really must have hit you for six or in Belle Vue's case 18. With the line-up Belle Vue have got they really should be walking this league. Not my fault if your club continue to be serial underachievers is it Mr. Beck? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,211 Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Sounds completely OTT. Bt even if we assume it's half that then £400 x 10 pts per meeting (from 5 rides should be achievable for a rider of Matej's calibre) x 20 meetings (ignoring Summer doodah and play-offs) x 50%: gives: £40,000 That would be one he'll of a sponsorship No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Edited May 28, 2022 by The Third Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 5,993 Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, TTT said: I wondered where you got to after Thursday night's battering. You normally pipe up within seconds. That battering really must have hit you for six or in Belle Vue's case 18. With the line-up Belle Vue have got they really should be walking this league. Not my fault if your club continue to be serial underachievers is it Mr. Beck? Walking the league? We are continually been told it's the closest one ever and everyone is level and anyone can win it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,281 Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. If that supporter is anywhere near correct, then Zagar and Fricke being a GP rider won't be cheap either, would almost take BV's gate money i would of thought. If both scored say 10 from 5, home and away one week. Thats 20 x£800 for Zagar and if Max is on £250 a pop x20. Even if Zagar is sponsored half of that it's still £8k and £5k out of one home meetings takings . Edit.... Just seen the Third Mans post.. But still very good money, £4k a meeting for a 6-7 point rider.. Edited May 28, 2022 by Bald Bloke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,187 Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, lisa-colette said: Walking the league? We are continually been told it's the closest one ever and everyone is level and anyone can win it! On paper Belle Vue are clear imo. But like JTS said the other day Speedway isn't ridden on paper. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,163 Posted May 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Third Man said: No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Think it was £3k last time he was here.. With, again, a big wedge of it getting paid by sponsorship.. Bottom line is, if it is affordable then why not do it? Even if the figures are correct which they may very well be/not be* * Delete as applicable... Crowds seem "quite good" from the two league matches I have been to this season, and the PCM was a "proper bumper one"... 1500/1700 or so paying £20 (ish), on average, isn't too bad a return I would think even after VAT paid.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,605 Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Which is exactly the figure I took! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,245 Posted May 28, 2022 You’re all debating pay based on someone reporting what one ‘fan’ told him lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites