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28 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Manchester is right up north. Not central at all. Holding the event at a neutral venue will not attract many local fans. Holding at Poole will guarantee a pretty full stadium just from the locals. Add in many travelling fans for a day out at the UKs premier resort will pack the place out. 

Geography not yer strong point . From Glasgow or Edinburgh to Poole check out what is slap bang in the middle. Main motorway travel and decent rail links. You need to get out more 

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36 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Manchester is right up north. Not central at all. Holding the event at a neutral venue will not attract many local fans. Holding at Poole will guarantee a pretty full stadium just from the locals. Add in many travelling fans for a day out at the UKs premier resort will pack the place out. 

If the stadium will be full just with the locals, where are the travelling fans going? Just asking :wink:

Seriously, I would agree that Sheffield could be a good option. But wherever it is, don't stage it in the week. Gone are the days we could fill Brandon on a Wednesday for the British Final. If we really want to sell this to the wider fan base as a serious event that they will want to attend in person, surely it has to be Saturday night or Sunday afternoon. Let's aim for the 4's party atmosphere effect.
And, we could then have some "forum meet ups" at a pub somewhere like in the old days

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At current fuel rates it will cost me £120-£130 in fuel alone to travel to Poole, add entrance fee, programme, food and drink for the full day, evening and then consider that the 680 mile round trip may be done safer with an overnight stop so add a hotel / BnB….we are looking at £200 plus.

Thats why a lot of northern based fans may not be willing to attend Poole for this meeting.

Having said that I’m sure they will get a good crowd with just the locals anyway and it will still make a profit, without the travelling supporters, that’s what matters the people running a business, so it will be considered a success.

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Just don't understand why we have a National Speedway Stadium if we don't use it for National Speedway Events. What's the point? It's like playing the FA Cup final at different club grounds every year just for hoots :blush:

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1 hour ago, Bandits4eva said:

Right up north?! :lol: Manchester isn’t right up north… Newcastle northwards is right up north! 
 

you say holding it at a neutral venue wouldn’t attract many locals… there was never a problem with crowds when Peterborough have held 4TT’s at their track… Poole will have mainly locals filling up their stadium but it’s still a poor choice when you consider the fans from the real north… Edinburgh, Berwick, Glasgow, Redcar etc… teams that have fans that normally come out in good amounts for the tournaments! 

Away fans are always more likely to travel for 'team speedway' be it 4's or League or Cup rather than domestic individual meetings

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1 hour ago, Jaizer said:

Not as far north as Poole is South!!! Given majority of championship clubs are Northern now I doubt you'll find much more than a few away fans from each club and huge majority of home fans. Not exactly what these events were supposed to be about. As said before the 4s at Peterborough was always well attended and a great day out.

Okay for Glasgow to hold the GB test match though! No thought for Oxford, Poole, Plymouth fans there that might want to go. Seems a bit hypocritical to me for Glasgow fans to moan about it. Although if it had to go up north at a Championship club then I would say Scunthorpe or Redcar.

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17 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Okay for Glasgow to hold the GB test match though! No thought for Oxford, Poole, Plymouth fans there that might want to go. Seems a bit hypocritical to me for Glasgow fans to moan about it. Although if it had to go up north at a Championship club then I would say Scunthorpe or Redcar.

If Glasgow didn't host it their wouldn't be one!!! It's put on by the promotion at their cost.

The plrc is supposed to be a "shared event" put on with aim supporters of all clubs being able to attend and bspl takes up the slack and the costs. Surely even you can see the difference!!!

And in what world is Scunthorpe northern?!?!

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43 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Manchester is right up north. Not central at all. Holding the event at a neutral venue will not attract many local fans. Holding at Poole will guarantee a pretty full stadium just from the locals. Add in many travelling fans for a day out at the UKs premier resort will pack the place out. 

Hasn't someone clever with too much time on their hands worked out the the geographical centre of Great Britain (England, Scotland & Wales) is Blackburn. Which, incidentally apparently has the same number of holes as the Poole track ;)  

1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

The best option for who?   At the end of the day, this -- and every other meeting -- has to attract a paying turnstile attendance to pay its way, and hopefully turn a profit.   

If we start designing meetings to run for streaming, rather than the live audience, we wont last long as a public sporting entertaiment.

Money is money right. It doesn't matter where it comes from.  What would you prefer to receive, £20,000 from 1,000 spectators paying £20 at the gate or £30,000 from 3,000 people paying £10 for the live stream? The answer is both because we're all greedy capitalists.

The truth is spectators are costly. From a promoter perspective you'd save quite a bit of money by excluding any attendees and only making the event available via subscription, however dystopian that might sound.

Luckily there's a couple of factors stopping that from happening, the impact on the local economy from attendees, in particular travelling supporters and event atmosphere. An easy conclusion from watching pandemic events behind closed doors is that spectators should actually be paid to attend as they clearly enhance the TV product, until someone develops a digital crowd experience to rival it.

That's the profit driven glimpse of the future. Virtual Reality viewing where everyone stays at home but experience being in the crowd with other viewers you can interact with. You'll get constant pop up reminders to place a bet or order junk food via deliveroo, unless you've paid a premium subscription to avoid adverts. There'd only need to be one track and maybe only 14 riders with both digitally altered to represent different stadiums and competitors.  Hell why not just do the whole event digitally generated by computer programme, with 14 Chris Harris' guesting. Grim.  

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I really can't see how a track like the NSS would be better to host the Riders Championship.  Judging by the last BV meeting on Eurosport they struggle to get a decent crowd for their own meetings - and thats despite them challenging for the Prem top spot!!

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7 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

If Glasgow didn't host it their wouldn't be one!!! It's put on by the promotion at their cost.

The plrc is supposed to be a "shared event" put on with aim supporters of all clubs being able to attend and bspl takes up the slack and the costs. Surely even you can see the difference!!!

And in what world is Scunthorpe northern?!?!

If you live down here then it's definitely up north lol. Anyway when Poole held the World Cup managed to attract a crowd of at least 5k, didn't seem a problem then.

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1 minute ago, lisa-colette said:

If you live down here then it's definitely up north lol. Anyway when Poole held the World Cup managed to attract a crowd of at least 5k, didn't seem a problem then.

....apart from a load of drunk Poles!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

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8 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

....apart from a load of drunk Poles!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

Especially the ones who thought it was a good idea to climb up a stanchion!

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1 hour ago, enotian said:

......spectators should actually be paid to attend as they clearly enhance the TV product, until someone develops a digital crowd experience to rival it......

I was working on one of those. But the program developed a bug and the crowd invaded the track after a doubtful referee decision.

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21 hours ago, Jaizer said:

Yes... But which team would he represent?

Harris will be guesting for himself, so not available for other clubs

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2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

I really can't see how a track like the NSS would be better to host the Riders Championship.  Judging by the last BV meeting on Eurosport they struggle to get a decent crowd for their own meetings - and thats despite them challenging for the Prem top spot!!

I judge what would be better based on the oval bit covered in shale, rather than the atmosphere in the grandstands. Others may have a different view? 

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