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1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:
I suggest all those who disagree with my points make a point of attending BSB weekends or the darts or even Weston beach race and see how they attract and entertain the masses which keep coming back year after year
Alcohol
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3 hours ago, mikebv said:
It's all contrived and made up over here though isn't it?
Another competition following the same path won't make any difference...
It will deter hardly one Poole fan from attending I would think, as we all know how it all works..
Surely no one still takes UK Speedway too seriously?
The crowd at Sheffield might by a bit impacted given the competition may have a low interest for some top league fans, but the turn out at Poole should be decent...
Nobody will ever take British speedway seriously until they adopt the Lucky Loser rule like Poland and Sweden.
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8 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said:
Zmarzlik chokes.
What this event has shown me is that Russia would wipe the floor with this field.
Emil and Artem would hit 7-2s in every heat.
6 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said:Why did Poland not call up Artem Laguta?
Their stubborn pride has led to them failing in another event.
Make your mind up
Or are they using guests in the SON these days?
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7 hours ago, mikebv said:
When the sport was "very popular" it wasn't domestic speedway that stimulated the interest..
It was the very regular national success at both individual and team level, being beamed into millions of homes several Saturdays a season...
Domestic speedway then lived off the back of that publicity and interest, and, with no social media, its "Mickey Mouse"' rules, and ad hoc last minute rider changes, which existed even then, didnt impact crowd levels the way they do today.
(eg. You would find out PC was riding in Germany in a LT meeting, or that a team had four guests and RR, after you had paid to get in, now you would know well in advance)..
Then the promoters started training up all the rest of the worlds riders, and reduced opportunities to UK riders, which had the inevitable conclusion that UK success on the international scene dwindled to virtually nothing...
And domestic crowds therefore naturally dwindled off the back of it...
As Italia 90 showed, and the England Rugby success in 2003, and the Ashes victory in 2005, international success stimulated each sports' domestic success by the interest it created in the sports' as a whole..
Maybe a test series against the Aussies might engage a few more to attend their local tracks..? (And, such is the relatively low crowd numbers, just a hundred more at most tracks would be a double digit growth)...
You would think a 2,000 crowd on a BHM, a GF, or a Saturday or Sunday would be possible at several tracks wouldn't you?
Max £25 a ticket and that's circa £50k..
Maybe a £25k prize money fund per test if that crowd size was possible?
A "properly ran" speedway meeting/series ran with credibility and something worth winning, might also draw some sponsorship from others outside the sport too, rather than, as so often happens currently, much of the sponsorship coming from those who follow it, or benefit in some way, from being involved in the sport...
Try getting riders to leave their Polish clubs for the weekend and getting all the other tracks in Britain to cancel their fixtures on a Bank Holiday. Good luck.
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2 hours ago, JoeW436 said:
You could finish 6th in the Polish Ekstraliga table and still have a chance of being champions when it’s all said and done, it’s the same there and most other countries.
In Poland you can finish 6th in the table, get knocked out in first round of the playoffs and still win the final because you are a Lucky Loser
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9 hours ago, mikebv said:
Apart from the Credibility and Integrity of the Competition, which maintains the media coverage, huge sponsorship, and large fanbase, I cant think of any reasons why they dont use guests...
Krysztof Harriski maybe could have rode for Wroclaw....
Because Lucky Loser just screams credibility
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Give Lee Complin a ring, he's usually at Berwick on a Saturday night.
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52 minutes ago, mikebv said:
Not a chance...
The riders need to earn money...
A way forward would be found to keep the sport going..
Akin to the IOW maybe?
Team Speedway in the UK has delivered what we have today...
With the glaring fact when you look at the stadiums, that not enough punters, (many of whom follow the sport closely), buy into it and take it seriously enough to warrent spending their income on it..
A dead horse that they need to stop flogging, and, instead, try to find a new one to ride...
Amateur riders, grasstrack bikes on shale, upright bikes? That's bound to develop the next generation of riders.
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3 hours ago, racers and royals said:
Extraleague have announced total attendances for the 64 matches so far in 2023 - 603,541 average 9430- which is higher than 2022
But approx 1,000 less per meeting less than in both 2018 and 2019
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2 hours ago, mikebv said:
Excellent meeting again from Poland...
Emil...
And, a great ride from Tai to protect Kowalski...
Polish Speedway...
As we often say, if only we could run the UK version with the same level of competition and credibility...
Introducing Lucky Losers would be a good start
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5 minutes ago, DazS said:
tough rubbish.
Not what i typed in. Does the forum auto correct?
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56 minutes ago, DazS said:
bsn stream not starting for 20 mins, this is now going to overlap with Torun v Wroclaw match
Oh dear. That could cause a revolt from the 1000s of Torun fans on here. Tough rubbish.
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2 hours ago, col69 said:
with rain in scottish borders at the minute not looking good for speedway
That might be relevant if Berwick was in the Scottish Borders
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10 hours ago, Bryce said:
His decision in 2018 to force Lakeside and Workington to cancel established fixtures and then run on off nights (so he could have a better choice of guests) did huge financial damage to both clubs who both folded at the end of that season despite being in all the cup finals and in Worky's case winning a treble.
Lakeside arena was being sold. Workington were losing money hand over fist already. He wasn't the one to decide to overpay the riders. Already been discussed to death.
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1 hour ago, mikebv said:
A wise move...?
In charge of their own destiny...
And not having their brand getting negatively impacted by the BSPL's brand reputation..
Maybe more should join them?
Uprights and grasstrack racing on shale. Can't think why it hasn't caught on.
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11 hours ago, iainb said:
It was nice to read Rob Godfrey's rallying Churchillian war cry, FINALLY for some reason this Wolves news seems to have hit home with him despite his Charimanship since 2018 seeing the closure of Rye House, Somerset, Swindon, Lakeside, Newcastle, Workington, Buxton, Cradley, Eastbourne, Kent, Stoke and the expulsion of IoW. Like others have said with Edinburgh & Peterborough highly doubtful for next year and question marks around Poole's future and the annual Birmingham crisis it could be a total of 15 clubs gone in 5 years under his stewardship... FIFTEEN! Even if you factor in the return of Oxford, Worky & Kent... that's still 12 a number higher than any of the current 3 leagues we have running
Interested in what Rob Godfrey was expected to do to stop the closure of those tracks.
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1 hour ago, stevehone said:
Weather looking pretty dodgy for both Saturday and Sunday (restaging date) at Pardubice, wonder what the options are
All the countries are given lucky loser status and proceed to a grand(ish) final
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32 minutes ago, col69 said:
well easter weekend and cant belive it no speedway at berwick when did this last happen
2020 and 2021?
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On 3/14/2023 at 11:27 AM, JoeW436 said:
Any news on this league being shown on tv in the UK or streamed?
Can't imagine it would be financially viable for the handful of viewers interested
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27 minutes ago, mikebv said:
Six actual "seniors" including the number 8, and two juniors..
This country's top league could have gone to four seniors and two juniors when the "top names" left, meaning plenty of "senior" cover for injured riders...
However, the 2nd Div wanted to use Div 1 HL's and the Div 1 HL's wanted the money, hence DU'ing become rife and out of control...
As you say, there is a reason Poland will never go down the guest route and it's that the fans, media and sponsors would never countenance such a situation as it would destroy their competitions credibility and render them pretty much worthless, (and unwatchable from those brought up on it being a "proper team sport").....
Lucky losers
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23 hours ago, Blupanther said:
There are two types of people in this world. Those who believe all the propaganda they hear on television, and those who don't...
And those who believe all the propaganda they read on twitter, and those who don't
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On 2/17/2023 at 11:12 AM, szkocjasid said:
I can't remember where I read it (maybe in a Speedway Star) but Danny Phillips was hyping up the Bullets as play-off contenders. Naturally he's going to say something positive like that, as no-one signs for a club planing to do poorly.
But I do feel he's gravely mistaken & that Berwick will be nearer the bottom than top. Built to just over 40 points, which means they need to put 2 points on their averages, just to be a mid table side. I honestly don't see much potential for riders to up their averages.
The league certainly looks stronger than last year.
Coles is a good number one, but rode at 3 last year, so by adding heat 13 to his races, if he keeps his average, he'll be doing well. Ditto for Blair, had a great season, but at the easier number 4 for half the season. Phillips is an acceptable 3rd heat leader.
Freeman showed so much potential for Newcastle & Armadale I expected a lot more from him last season. Now out of the reserve berth, it's tougher. Like Coles I think he can improve (by keeping his average).
The bottom 3 all have the potential to improve, but I see that as a slow & steady rise up the ranks, which is where they will miss Luke Harrison!
So on the whole, the team doesn't look bad. But if you have 6 or 7 strong looking teams & 1 or 2 average looking teams, they'll be near the bottom.
If I was a Berwick fan, I'd just be happy you're getting to see lots of Speedway in 2023. More matches than Glasgow & Redcar (not to mention Newcastle).
By the time you take in cup matches, Premier Trophy next rounds and playoffs, i will bet Redcar and Glasgow have as many matches as Berwick.
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31 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:
Think the whole point of moving away from the devils and to the monarchs academy is so it all links with the first team being the Edinburgh monarchs. Bit like a football system where you have the academies who will then move up to the development sides and then eventually the first team.
Similar here with the new system the club have put in place where we have the academy the now monarchs academy NDL level and then the Edinburgh monarchs.
Nice stepping stones for the kids to look and aim for.
All very commendable and good in practice, just like Berwick had in place last year, but it hasn't stopped them losing Ace Pijper and Luke Harrison from that system
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17 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:
They weren't on Tuesday when Championship was set to be 2 home & 2 away. Bewick, Armadale and Plymouth were all set to dump NDL. Did they change their minds on Wednesday?
The promoter (can't remember which one of the Courtney's) told the crowd after the last meeting of the season that Berwick would be running a team in both the CL and NDL).
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British GP’s Belle Vue Fri/Sat 13th/14th June
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