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23 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:
Even now Witcher at least six riders have no chance of winning a final,,and that is being honest.No different to being in the old format really.
2 minutes ago, chunky said:Sorry, I'm having trouble following what is being said here!
There you go. I'm assuming as he is talking about the GP's he means a GP final..
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2 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:
Did you forget Lambo....???
I haven't forgotten anyone.
You've said there are six riders in the GP field that have no chance of winning a final.
I've said there is arguably only one you could apply that argument to.. but now you are arguing against your very own statement!
Or are you suggesting there are six others, not including Lambert, in last years GP field that would never win a final?
Seriously Sid, think about it.
Look at the field for the last GP.. are these riders capable of winning a GP on their day?
Madsen - Yes
Lindgren - Yes
Dudek - Yes
Iversen - Yes
Zmarzlik - Yes
Lindback - Yes
Vaculik - Yes
Zagar - Yes
Woffinden - Yes
Sayfutdinov - Yes
Doyle - Yes
Kolodziej - Yes
A Laguta - Yes
Lambert - ?
Lambert is the only one you could possibly question. -
1 minute ago, chunky said:
And??? You were talking about riders being world champion, and now you are talking about an individual semi-final! EVERY rider in the GP is MORE than capable of making semi-finals.
He said at least six wouldn't have a chance of winning a final.... not World Champ.. winning a final.
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4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:
Really thought Lambert reached an early semi.?
He did, but that's the only one that comes close to your statement of not having a chance of winning a final. The fact you disagree with him speaks volumes!
I challenge you to name one other, never mind the six you claimed
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5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:
Even now Witcher at least six riders have no chance of winning a final,,and that is being honest.No different to being in the old format really.
Again Sid, that is completely false. You're so far out with that statement it's staggering.
Out of last year's starting field the ONLY one you could possibly put an argument together for would be Lambert.
It is completely different to the old format for the reasons I described to you. Every race means something to every rider.. the only exceptions might come in the final round or two of the season when for some it would be like... you guessed it, an old style World Final they can't win. -
On 5/7/2020 at 7:55 AM, Sidney the robin said:
That comfort zone of knowing you only have to get to a semi and can still win the meeting for me makes it easier now though.Do i think the series as being particularly strong now yes it is strong but there are a few riders there on the way down and at the moment are not being replaced by fresh blood.
Sorry Sid, that doesn't really make sense.
In the old World Final you often had five riders who were totally out of their depth.
After a couple of rides you had as much as half the field out of contention.
In a GP it's far from easier, firstly because of the reason you have used to suggest its easier to score, the semi finals... it means much more of the field has something to race for..
And even without the semi-finals, every single pt in every single race counts towards their overall season end standing. There's no slacking of or just dialing it in as it all counts. -
1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said:
The POINT you misunderstood and never quite grasped was from 1976 until 82 he would of matured as a rider.He was only 24 and in 1976 he had really gone up a level or to he was a top 16 rider in the world already.Ask Briggs,Michanek, Mauger, Collins,Knutsson,Olsen they all said he would of been at the top for along time.
MAY have matured. You don't know. Some riders reach a level and that's it.
Joe Screen a classic example.. Burst on scene as a 16 year old, got better and better, clocking up a 10.82 average in 1995 aged 22.
Yet he petered out (mainly due to a bad crash) and never troubled the elites at the highest level. -
20 hours ago, waiheke1 said:
I think taking those stats only, you'd have to say Hans was the greatest. His average in 89 is equivalent to a high 11+ in other year's when you take into account the nominated rider's heat introduced that year.
I'd agree with that.
I can't think of many times a rider hit an 11pt average (including bonus of course) since the advent of the nominated heats.
I've got:
Ermolenko 1993 11.14
Crump 2006 11.21
Adams 2008 11.04
All three of those were extra remarkable for different reasons...
Ermolenko didn't race any reserves.
Crump and Adams also had the new 'Heat 13' race as well to contend with.
In addition Adams achieved his in a 9 team league. Ermolenko and Crump 11 teams.
The size of the league also bolsters Nielsens argument, his sensational 1986 season was achieved in an 11 team league.
Mauger's averages were all from 18-19 team leagues I believe... same with Briggs?
Fundin however clocked up an 11.60 in a 10 team league in 1958. -
2 minutes ago, Tsunami said:
"Greg" Hancock advises that there was 105,937 corona virus tests carried out on Friday.Twice in two days he's smashed the 100,000 figure.
What a man. But if you discount Thursdays figure, cos you don't want to believe it, he has beaten the target of 100,000 a day late. Shocking, there'll be people asking for his resignation now. 
Not quite making the target, or making it a day or two late isn't really an issue.. or shouldn't be.
What many don't like is the manipulation of figures.
Simply be honest, say we're almost there, and within another day or so we will be there.-
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10 minutes ago, Tsunami said:
Tests yesterday were 122,347 which of course beats significantly the tough target set by Hancock of 100,000, which journalists and critics were preparing to call for his resignation from office. Seems appropriate in that case then to call for their resignations having met and smashed the target.
The levels of gullibility have no bounds it seems!
And now it transpires the tests have been 'posted'... Marvelous.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/ministers-accused-of-changing-covid-19-test-tally-to-hit-100000-goal
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2 minutes ago, Norfolk Bear said:
I personally doubt we will see any live league racing this year. It will need a massive change to social distancing. The same with football, they are only going behind closed doors because of greed.
Without the gate money we cannot runBecause of greed?
A number really has been done on you hasn't it.
Far better to have clubs go to the wall and more people made unemployed. -
27 minutes ago, cityrebel said:
Absolutely. I had real flu one christmas. I was bed ridden for several days. When i did start to recover i had to retrain my legs on how to walk.
This is the point.
Most people get a bit of a cold and call it the flu.. it isn't.
Flu knocks you about always.
Whereas Covid, 80% of the time does nothing of the sort.
However, if you are vulnerable (especially the elderly) covid can be very dangerous indeed as we have seen.... hence the need for such groups to be protected. Its not rocket science.
For the rest, its less dangerous than the flu.-
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1 minute ago, Red Flag said:
Im 60,I had it, was no walk in the park for me in fact I couldn’t walk, 10 days in hospital on oxygen, been out 10 days now and can just about manage a shower before having to rest again, no underlying health problems either.
Give me flu any day
Glad you recovered. However reality is, and its absolute fact, flu is more dangerous AND causes greater illness than covid-19 for the vast majority of the population.
For some Covid-19 is very dangerous of course.-
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11 minutes ago, Blupanther said:
I'm over 50, i had it, and it was a walk in the park compared to the flu ...
Exactly.
Unfortunately this is the hole the government (and the media even more so) have now dug. Such ill educated people out there that will cause immense problems with any proposed relaxing of the lockdown.
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29 minutes ago, westhamboy66 said:
One of the most pathetically stupid, ill informed comments I have ever seen. I truly hope you will get it so can correct your idiotic comment when you are fit enough.
So you thought you'd top it eh? You succeeded.
If you're under 50 you'd far rather have Covid-19 than the flu. -
1 hour ago, Jonny the spud said:4 hours ago, BWitcher said:
120,000 a year die from flu/pneumonia in UK on average..
Let's see what Covid-19 reaches.. and if it comes back every single year...
What's staggering is how such large scale deaths are dismissed as meaningless by folks such as you. Young children and babies in that figure.. all dismissed.
Of course Covid-19 is serious, for the elderly and seriously ill. For the rest it quite simply is not.
It is the elderly and seriously ill that need protecting.
The deaths recorded are those who have tested posit for covid 19. This isn’t “instead” of the flu, it’s on top of the flu deaths.No the deaths aren't all who have tested positive for Covid-19, not in the UK, or the USA, or Italy.
It is believed it is the case in Germany however..
Nobody has ever said it was 'instead' of flu, although that being said there are scientists now beginning to suggest that the deaths may well end up being just that.. 'instead of'. -
13 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:
Staggering to see some sticking to their guns on this. Some nailed their colours to the mast early doors on this virus with their “glorified flu” nonsense and clearly don’t like to admit they were wrong on the internet. It’s ok to hold your hands up and say you misjudged just how bad this horrible virus was/is!
120,000 a year die from flu/pneumonia in UK on average..
Let's see what Covid-19 reaches.. and if it comes back every single year...
What's staggering is how such large scale deaths are dismissed as meaningless by folks such as you. Young children and babies in that figure.. all dismissed.
Of course Covid-19 is serious, for the elderly and seriously ill. For the rest it quite simply is not.
It is the elderly and seriously ill that need protecting.
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1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:
Interesting thread, well worth a read.
Very poor actually, very one dimensional, seems to be trying to insinuate that every excess death is Covid-19 when clearly that is not the case.
The majority of them are Covid-19.
Some recorded as Covid are not Covid.
Some countries won't be revealing their true Covid figures
There will be many excess deaths caused by lockdown that aren't Covid related.
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12 minutes ago, DC2 said:
The 300 is under 60 without underlying conditions. The total under 60 including underlying conditions is 1,623.
Fair point.. but even less Under 50 as you say.. and given most speedway riders are under 40, even less still.
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1 hour ago, DC2 said:
About 300 out of 20,000 hospital deaths. Actually, that’s under 65s so I doubt it’s more than 100 under 50.
And even less when you add in 'fit'.. i.e. no serious underlying condition.
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22 minutes ago, HGould said:
I hope you don't lose family or friends like I have. Maybe if you had you'd not be so arrogant and have some respect?
That has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at all.
You've made claims that are false, been shown to be wrong and are now trotting out nonsense.
No disrespect is being shown to anyone who dies, death is always tragic, whatever the circumstances.
Sorry to hear of any loss you have had. -
2 minutes ago, HGould said:
Go check the number of fit under 50's dying and show some respect!
I already have.
Now go check it against the number of under 50's dying from other things and learn some context.
If you're under 50 and healthy you have more chance of being killed in a car crash than dying from Covid-19.
It's nothing to do with 'respect'.. it's to do with reality.-
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5 minutes ago, HGould said:
If you think hospitals are ready to deal with unnecessary sporting injuries you are definitely living in a parallel universe. A + E are dealing primarily with Coronovirus, those not are seeing reduce traffic as no one unless critically ill will risk going to A + E in case they catch the virus. I doubt many riders would take the risk right now. I'm even more sure that majority of supporters would risk going to speedway right now or feel it right to do so. 3 - 4 months away at least.
What risk would the riders be taking?
I wasn't aware we had many 65+ aged riders.-
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4 hours ago, HGould said:
What planet have you been living on???
This planet, it's a fact.
World Final consistency
in Years Gone By
Posted · Edited by BWitcher
You're getting silly now Sid, take a breath and calm down.
I take it you don't disagree with me then, all those riders listed are capable of winning a final?