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I sort of see both sides of the coin. During the dog track years I did sometimes use to wonder why I was still attending every match because the quality of racing was far removed from the Hyde Road days but obviously and despite the poor teams we often had, there was still enough enjoyment to keep me going.
However, since the move to the NSS and despite the best efforts of the BSPA to destroy the credibility of the sport by their often ridiculous decisions and inconsistent interpretation of the rules my enthusiasm for the sport is as strong as it ever was. The joy of watching close, exciting racing overcomes the politics and incompetence. It is a five hour return journey for me to get to Belle Vue but well worth the effort and the cost. I've said it before but the NSS has proved that given the right setting Speedway can be as thrilling as it ever was.
If only somebody sensible could take control of the BSPA.
5 hour round trip to Belle Vue on a Friday . well I suppose that's a drawback of living 3 miles away ..
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If you have the evidence to say otherwise then please by all means inform us all. What IS offensive is reading half the utter tripe written on here. As a Bees fan I think we have so much to thank Sandhu for or did you think 2005,2006, 2007, 2010 was just a magical happening that occurred in this cloud cuckoo land you are in. Were you moaning when Emil was signed, were you moaning this time 10 years ago in the clubs most successful ever year.
Riders have come out and spoke in support of Sandhu and the way he conducted himself as owner of the bees. If the finger was to be pointed anywhere it is the BSPA as they made Coventry's life very difficult and Sandhu sold up, British Speedway would have been in a far better position had at the time Sandhu been took seriously.
Who do you think maybe funding this new venture out of interest then? The Council, Mick Horton or Somebody who has just sold an asset for a few million?
who sold Coventry Stadium to other developers when he hit a Brick wall trying to build on it himself . , haha your'e suggesting Sandhu will finance it . just like he left "no stone unturned " in his search for a new site , I forget where the sites he looked at were ,maybe you could refresh my memory
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Yep imagine both entries being used constantly all day. The road is to narrow to deal with that. Plus I guess the garden centre will have hgvs delivering stock.
In other news which I'm not sure hasn't been put on this thread. Scott Nicholls, Rory Schlein, Kyle Howarth, Adam Roynon and Joe Jacobs ride for Coventry Bees at Leicester.
who is the Bees promoter for this ? save coventry speedway haha
I love how the conspiracy theory just won't go away, no matter how many people say it. Sandhu's name has been dragged through the gutter in all this, I just don't understand how people think this is all so pre-planned.
My concern would be how the hell to shut Mick Horton up and who is giving him information to go blabbing. The telegraph and Horton seem to now and again crop up with unhelpful headlines. We were told we would know something when it was the right time, the work that the committee have put in along with the councils has been risked by somebody who should know better But instead we add this to the CV of hortons cock ups and disaster stories.
More than ever, I'm not sure if it's because it's the end of the season or the realisation that 2018 looks the same as this that I really miss Brandon. 10 years since the glorious treable and driving past and just wanting so much to be able to have a walk round for a last time. Brandon estates have proved a nasty piece of work that can't be trusted, won't speak to the speedway group set up by Jeff and David but can comment on travelers. I hope Rugby Council repay the silent treatment for decades when they finally come crawling out the hole and submit an application, nobody wants them about and the reputation and press they have received has not been favourable at all.
I just want my speedway team back, I want it run by somebody with integrity and honesty. But I also want to win the lottery ... Fingers crossed on all counts then hey.
Please don't make any more offensive posts like this , Coventry speedway was doomed the minute Sandhu walked through the gate , and suggestions that he is any kind of innocent in all this IS offensive to a lot of Bees fans ,
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Where did I say I think Sandhu will fund it? I said he that hes said he would so let's see. You, or I have no idea how it would be funded yet. You almost sound disappointed that fans have got off their backside and managed to get to a point where they've put a pre planning application. Utterly bizarre.
the fans have got off their backside and done a whole lot of shouting , but when it comes to the crunch they don't have the money to back it up
This is bad News. I really hope they don't wreck the place.
Where are the Police?
Sandhu invited them ,, odd the garden centre across the road has been derelict for so long yet never had gyppos move onto there
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I very much doubt Horton has had much if any input. Sandhu always said he'll provide a new site so we will see.
So a pre planning application went in 25th August, the group have worked hard.
If you think Sandhu will do anything about a new stadium you are deluded , you think Horton can't finance a new stadium ,yet you think a gaggle of empty pockets dissapointed supporters lead by a couple of dreamers can , most amusing
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Mystery fire early in the new year , followed by gipsy incursion onto the site , if Ladbrokes would take the bet it would be a dead cert .. Sandhu is running up and down Binley road knocking on doors begging people to complain about the eyesore he is going to create
Has anyone made the link between Brandon Estates and Sandhu yet? Pretty obvious they are connected.
I hope the council point blank refuse Brandon Estates any planning permission. Let them sit on Brandon for a decade or more.said the same all along , Sandhu got just what he wanted , an empty stadium with even the council thinking he was an innocent party , Brisca "Oh poor old sandhu " why not let him run his cash cow F1 Stox out of other peoples stadiums , the man has duped almost everybody , greedy scum
He is connected that isn't in doubt but it seems relationships turned sour! Sandhu didn't sell to Brandon Estates, it was sold twice very quickly it seems.
David Rowe from Keep Bees on Track says they are "aware" of a new site and they'll give a statement today.That's what he wants you to think , suits his purpose , Sandhu and brandon estates =Good cop bad cop , but they are still both cops
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Wouldn't be any need for this if the site was properly moderated.
yes it should be moderated like speedway friends is on facebook , then it would be closed down by the end of September , that's a great site spelling mistake =,post removed , bad grammar = post removed + 24 hour ban , posting anything that Fiala doesn't agree with =post removed +ban for a week . I'm actually bored with BSF , too many wanting this or that moderated , mostly people who are self righteous and don't like being corrected or listening to an opinion different to their own , so over moderation leading to the site closing would suit me down to the ground ..
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Like Philip Rising, agree with this
So, those are the problems . . . . How do we go about solving them?
It's one hell of a mess - one hell of a mess compared with the past
So . . . Perhaps a return to the past might actually be a good idea!
it's easy to point out what the problem is . but not so easy to find a solution , one of the difficulties is that our speedway is not club based like Poland ,Denmark and Sweden , so what may be good for the sport as a whole will not suit an individual small business , consequently getting consensus from all sides in any league is the first stumbling block to any radical ideas , being business based also prevents gaining grants which help many other sports balance the books , the bspa need to put personal wants and needs aside and work for the greater good but sadly promoters always have their own best interests to put first , a good start would be handing over the sport lock stock and barrel to an independent body , one which has no previous dealings or interest in speedway , let someone who has no vested interest (but obviously similar proven experience ) take the whole thing and reboot it ,
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And what do you put the last 10 years' of decline down to?
teams of guests ,win at all costs , fixture list chaos , 3 meetings in 1 week none for a month , pandering to Poland (recent ) + riders , teams that change every week so nobody recognises who is in their team , people getting away with loopholes , certain yeams doing as they please and others having to obey the rules , piss poor presentation , lack of advertisement , Doyles fault .Lol (f he wasnt so bloody greedy afford some local advertising , the GP series interrupting the fixture list , sky TV and their money being pocketed by gospeed instead of being invested in speedway ,
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What rider demands are killing the sport? As far as I am aware, promoters dreamt up the Elite League Draft as a way of cutting costs. This was the first major extension of doubling-up, allow up to four riders per team to race in both leagues. Then this season the rules were relaxed further with no limit on the number of riders a Premiership team could have riding in both leagues.
I am not aware that either of these changes were due to major pressure from riders - they were simply cost cutting ideas from promoters. The fact that riders have exploited these rule changes to allow them to make a living from British speedway is hardly the riders fault.
The demands where they say i want £500 a point and only want to race on Mondays or i'll just go and ride in Poland ,, wake up
What rider demands are killing the sport? As far as I am aware, promoters dreamt up the Elite League Draft as a way of cutting costs. This was the first major extension of doubling-up, allow up to four riders per team to race in both leagues. Then this season the rules were relaxed further with no limit on the number of riders a Premiership team could have riding in both leagues.
I am not aware that either of these changes were due to major pressure from riders - they were simply cost cutting ideas from promoters. The fact that riders have exploited these rule changes to allow them to make a living from British speedway is hardly the riders fault.
waffle about unrelated tripe , still you got approval from the German hater ,
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That would be fine as long as they were brought up to Championship strength. I would not like to think of a Team coming in to the Championship too weak to survive and then closed down.
The Promoters Association would need to help them - possibly financially - how would they feel about that?
There are no Nl teams who can survive in the championship , but that wont stop Rising campaigning on Doyle and Holders behalf , for me it comes to a straight choice . Tell the carpet baggers to get stuffed and bog off to Poland and leave us to sort the mess that their blackmailing and greed has got speedway into , or disrupt everything to suit them and watch more people desert the sport , It really is that simple . most of these tracks where their are suggestions of change of raceday are so hogtied they can't even complete a proper second half , but some of these muppets and their sycofantic entourage think it's a walk in the park to get permission to change nights and then keep the support that has shaped it's life round a particular night . speedway needs a radical rethink there is no doubt about that , but it needs rethinking for the benefit of the sport and it's supporters not to suit half a dozen foreign riders
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How many riders ,want these changes ?. and how many others does it actually affect , I look forward to next season I'm planning to support whichever team Emil Sajfutdinov chooses to ride for , and of course because of the increased admission I'll have to pick and choose which meetings i go to and which GP stars I really want to see , there's 16 top riders at least ,the 16 GP riders so assuming there's 8 premiership teams that's 2 for each brilliant , only five places left to fill with riders who only want to ride once a fortnight ,, can't wait
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BUT is it an ultimatum or simply a rider stating the days on which he is available? I see it as the latter.
of course you do, don't you get fed up with arguing his case it's obvious yours is the minority opinion , surely you would be better spending your time German hating
THAT'S exactly why going to set race nights is being mooted ... and Doyle is one of the riders who wants to race here. So what's your problem?
On days when it suits him . and all the other riders can fall into line with his wishes , Doyle is offering nothing for anybodies benefit other than his own . hope we we keep multiple racenights so we can see the back of him . start sharing his wages out with British riders ,so they can have the best equipment
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So it's alright for riders to make ultimatums on their British bosses who don't operate on set nights for good reason, such as stadium availability?
But when it comes to the Poles the riders bow down, despite being restricted in their ability to earn extra income in an arbitrary fashion?
The Poles are sticking two fingers up to the rest of Europe with their increasingly restrictive practices and the riders say not a word. Except to say Britain has to change to make it possible for them to accommodate us. They must think we're mugs.
Change British Speedway to make British Speedway better for our fans, for our promotions and for riders who want to ride here.
Doyle wanted to ride here when he was nothing (still is IMO ) what we have to do now , is stop more Jason Doyles ,Chris Holders ,Greg Hancocks , jason Crumps Tai Woffindens ,doing the same in the future
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Sometimes pay!
stop arguing with the Doyle loving ,German hating plonker
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So what happens to Monday and Thursday clubs that don't go in the Premiership?
as long as Jason Doyle doesn't ride for them ,they can close down he doesn't mind ,
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Jason Doyle is quite adamant... British speedway must have fixed racenights. Oh, and our tracks.. they are not prepared very well. That sways his view.
But... compared to Poland... how many riders have lost their lives or been confined to a wheelchair from British track accident the past 10 years?
Poland seems quite dangerous if you compare the two.
were our tracks dangerous when he spent 10+ years earning his living on them as a nothing journeyman ,, goodbye and good riddance
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So let me see if I've got this right......
We can't run on Wednesday because we'll clash with the Danes.
We can't run on Sundays because all our riders will be in Poland (yeh, right).
We can't run on Tuesdays because we'll clash with Sweden (have any of you watched the Swedish meetings on a Tuesday? Not many of those boys ride over here).
We can't run on Fridays because of the GP practices (the practices that most riders rubbish in interview and are not compulsory).
So what's left? Mondays and Thursdays? Yes. What else?
Saturdays. Heavens no. The World will come crashing down around our heads. And none of those GP lads who earn their real living on a Sunday anyway will ride for us. We decided we didn't want them last winter. A very small number of clubs found a way to keep their GP riders despite the rules and the push to reduce costs. Come next March and the new Polish restrictions, the number of GP riders here might be even smaller. So let's stop kidding ourselves. Admit where our leagues are on a global scale and design a structure accordingly. Race nights have to be dictated, to a degree, by stadium availability. Doubling up is a fact of life. Try to avoid clashes by running the two leagues on different nights if you can, but don't get your knickers in a knot. There has to be some give and take on this or we could lose some clubs which has to be the worst of all outcomes. We'll also lose riders if we restrict their earnings. "Scrap doubling up and let them all get jobs to supplement their earnings" I hear you say. Are you kidding? We expect riders who conduct themselves professionally. Have good quality equipment, well turned out. Available to ride and not knackered from working the previous night.
So okay, we need to pull our leagues apart, run the two leagues on different nights as far as possible and create a product our shrinking fan base will continue to support. And what a about the rest of the World? If it works for them, they're welcome. Otherwise it's a shame, but I ain't going to compromise my domestic sport to suit you.
other countries have always had single racedays , we on the other hand haven't ,something else that needs to be factored in is will wolves supporters for example go on a Thurs , Sandhu pissed about with Covs racenight to suit Dogs and stox , and it was a disaster ,he had enough dosh to ride it out and try other nights , not many other clubs have that luxury , and a run of poor attendances due to objectionable race night could easily see them fold , Doyle and the rest of the carpet baggers were happy enoough to ride any night ,now they are too big for their boots , and Doyles head is too big for his helmet they want us to take risks to suit them, I can only hope that Visa issues prevent them riding in Europe and when they come cap in hand ,the BSPA has the balls to point them in the direction of a quantas booking desk
do the likes of Doyle, Holder, Batchelor, Schlein and co realise what they are doing to tomorrows young Aussie speedway riders?
yes Doyle and Holder are fully aware , thing is they don't give a Shyt about tomorrows young Aussies or the clubs and fans that have supported them on the way up , just like Woffinden , all they care about is themselves
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You know, a lot of the posters on here wobble on about "free speech", and are quite happy to say what they want because of that. However, when a rider exercises that right, they are instantly deemed to be be ungrateful and insulting. Of course, it's not just a speedway issue; everybody wants to have say say, although much of the time things could be worded a little differently. In some cases, things would be better unsaid.
Having said that, foreign riders do not simply ride in British league speedway for "training" purposes. Yes, it is the way - it traditionally, it was the way - to hone one's skills by competing in Britain. With any sport, one of the best ways to improve and develop is to compete against quality opposition, but let's not forget that applies to the British too, but apparently, British riders don't seem to "owe" British speedway anything, while foreigners do...
The other fact worth mentioning is that people seem to think that speedway riders simply exist for the benefit of the supporters". No, they don't "risk their lives to entertain the public"; they do to earn a living. It is their job. It is a dangerous job, but nobody FORCES them to race. Riders take up speedway because they WANT TO RACE MOTORCYCLES, and it's nice to have a job you love.
As it is their job, a speedway rider has - and in my opinion, SHOULD have - the right to choose when and where they race. Please don't misunderstand me, I am not talking about breaking contracts or stuff like that, but they are no different to the rest of us. If somebody offered you more money and better perks than you get from your current employer, why wouldn't you take it - or at least consider it? A little loyalty doesn't hurt, but It is the individual's choice to race when and where he wants, and for whom he wants. If he feels a change of track - or country - would be beneficial, then good luck to him (and again, no, that doesn't mean he should be slagging off anyone). If a rider wants to retire from the sport altogether for another job - a la Bruce Penhall - or for whatever reason, we shouldn't question it, let alone hate someone for it.
Steve
Whats with foreigners ??? the only ones taking the piss are Aussies , stop trying to fudge the issue by including European riders , they owe us nothing they learned their trade in their own leagues .
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Not sure the standard of rider compares to safety. Doyle even said in an interview on BT that in a GP series he knows which riders he can trust and ones he cant and that's the pinnacle of the sport. Agree with set race nights though but for me that's more about sorting the double up issue rather than having the better riders back.
he knows which ones he can bully and which ones he can't , that's why he wins races with the former in and loses the ones with the latter
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Anyone running a book on how many of the whingers will return to the UK next year?
Can I get odds on Jason Crump making a return to racing and showing these upstarts how to be professional and explaining the art of good manners and some common courtesy to the hosts.
If not can these unhappy chaps leave the UK in peace and ply their trade elsewhere. That will allow U.K. Speedway to regroup which is badly needed and hopefully the punters will get to watch riders who want to ride week in week out and entertain. I will not hold my breath on any of these counts but one can only live in hope.
Crump was the first to desert and head off for Polish money
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So you think Aussie riders own us something for training them? I think that is fair. However, most are incredibly loyal to Britain, in fact the only riders who have thumbed their noses are Ryan Sullivan and Jack Holder. I don't think you can question the loyalty of Doyle, Holder, Schlein, Crump, Adams etc. Therefore I am confused about what point you're trying to make. Do you think they should rider here but not be allowed to voice any negative concerns?
GP was nine rounds in 2005 and ten in 2006 when Adams and Richardson rode for Swindon. Either way, I'm not sure of your point. When have Aussie riders missed British league meetings to ride in the GPs. I can't recall any recently.
So Doyle has basically put himself in the shop window by working his way through British clubs that have little choice on the nights that they run, now that his stock is now sought after across the world he now deems it not for his liking!
Doyle you are a great ambassador for Australian Speedway and any Aussie youngster trying to break in to world speedway, but the platform for them to do so(British speedway) you are now basically either holding a gun to or washing your hands of.
British speedway has been around a lot longer than the likes of Doyle, Holder, Batchelor and co.
Doyle doesn't care about any one except himself , coming his crap about our tracks being dangerous , where was the accident that cost him his world title that assorted arseholes think he deserves , where was the latest accident that bust his foot up ? Let me Guess on the super safe tracks of Europe , Doyles legacy to Australian speedway will be the next generation having the door slammed in their face , that's at least 1 thing he can be thanked for
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The problem is, it isn't just a couple of greedy Aussies. If you look at the previous page you will see that most of the current crop of GP riders have ridden in Britain at some point. However, only three remain. Doyle has provided some insight into why so many of the top riders see the Britain league as merely a stepping stone on to larger things.
You may say, "who cares" and that they should be allowed (or even encouraged) to leave, but the simply fact is that over the last decade the top riders have gradually moved away from British speedway and at the same time fan numbers have decreased across the board. You can say this is correlation rather than causation and of course there is a vast plethora of factors which impact numbers, but in my opinion the loss of the top riders is the single biggest factor in dwindling crowds.
yes it is , we don't have to train Europeans ,so when they decide against riding here we have lost nothing.
It is interesting. 10 years ago some clubs had TWO GPs riders, I know Swindon did for a couple of seasons. I'd be interested to know with the benefit of hindsight whether the promoters felt speedway was more sustainable back in those days of higher costs, but higher crowds, compared to today, where the costs are lower, but the crowds are too.
Gp was 6 rounds , and Poland hadn't dangled the carrot ,no comparison with current problemsd
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You could argue Holder had made a contribution to British speedway for the better but has undone a lot if not most of that through his actions this season.
looking at the situation realistically , we have only had these problems with Australians since big money was available in Poland , previous to that they were happy to race here in the leagues structured as they were and take what money was on offer , , had Doyle not had some sort of knock on the head which made him step up a gear and remained a 3rd heat leader at championship level , you wouldn't be hearing a peep out of him , I would say Holder is a spent force and who cares what he does from here on , Doyle is a greedy mardy arse who's too far up his own arse , if he wants to race in Poland fine let him go and no coming back. no point us worrying about a couple of greedy aussies . best thing to do is take steps now to prevent others following suit , shut the door on any Aussies turning up on these shores in the future , and get those making their was through our leagues contracted with a some sort of financial handcuffs , before they turn our speedway into an amateur circus sideshow like theirs .
SO you simply ignore all the good seasons Holder had, the pure joy he, especially with Darcy Ward, provided not just to Poole fans but speedway supporters in general. There was a time when EVERY Elite league track (as it was then) admitted their best crowds of the season came when Poole with Holder and Ward riding were in town. Australian riders in general have made a massive contribution to speedway here over decades and the fact that many now also ride elsewhere is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If you were offered a job but your prospective employer was unable to tell you when you would be required you might be sceptical about accepting. That is what a number of riders (not just Australian) are asking for.
yes it was an absolute pleasure watching him fence Chris Harris in the playoff final , terrific , and the bonus for you is of course he's not German . or you would be starting a whole anti holder thread
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How Many Of Us Are Losing Interest.?
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You must be doing something right ,an increasing crowd with the added expense/time of a ferry crossing is quite an achievement , proper promotion including added attractions must account for some of the increase , it's a model that could work in any tram in the UK . and cannot even be attributed to success on the track ,