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Different publications take different angles. From the MSN report on the same thing.

 

Telegraph says: German figures for February also showed a marked improvement.

MSN says.

 

UK-France trade back at pre-pandemic levels in March (msn.com)

However, not all the most recent figures made such encouraging reading. German exports to the United Kingdom fell by 12.2 per cent on the year in February and imports slumped 26.9 per cent, the German Federal Statistics Office said. Germany is the UK’s biggest trading partner.

And Portugal said that imports from the UK had more than halved in the same month, with exports also down 15 per cent.

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1 hour ago, wealdstone said:

Quite right but most of those including Biden hold IMO preconceived ideas of the situation. 

There was a book some years ago ( can't remember the title now ) where the author coming from the Catholic side said that he was brought up to believe it was all the fault of the British and what my mother  would have referred to as "The ascendancy"  the book showed a very balanced view of the rights and wrongs from both sides. 

The best thing that could happen is for anyone outside of Northern Ireland to stop meddling. 

One branch of our family were of the pipes and flutes variety, and even during my lifetime were irrational and appalling bigots. You'd go round and visit, and it wouldn't be long before the subject turned towards the evils of the Pope, how Papists were outbreeding them and taking over the world, and always referring to those of left foot persuasion as 'that Catholic Boy/Girl'.

It was really quite pathetic and thank goodness subsequent generations don't seem to have bought into that nonsense. Probably because they all emigrated away, but it would be very easy to get sucked into it if you were surrounded by it.

However, it must also be said the Church of Rome also behaved like a Mafia in these places. Catholic children were told not to play with the Prods, and woe betide a Catholic if they wanted to marry one. The local priest would be round in a shot threatening eternal damnation, and they'd be practically excommunicated unless the Protestant converted. 

The Protestants would have also looked at how relatively impoverished the Republic of Ireland was compared to Northern Ireland, its ridiculous laws banning birth control, divorce and so on, and drawn the conclusion they didn't want any part of that. But that changed in the 1980s with the change of economic and social attitudes in the Republic that have culminated in it being the wealthier and more progressive part of Ireland these days, whilst Northern Ireland has been sucked down by violence, industrial decline and emigration.

I think many sane people in Northern Ireland simply decided they couldn't be bothered with it any more and moved away over the past 30-40 years. Of course, this means the bigots are even more influential than they probably should be, even though both parts of Ireland being in the EU allowed a deal to be cut that made the flow of people and trade across the border an irrelevant issue and allowed the Northern Ireland population to align with whatever state they chose. However, Brexit tore this up as now the UK and the Republic Ireland have different customs and migration regimes, border controls now have to go somewhere and you're either going to piss-off the Loyalists or Nationalists wherever you put it. 

Entirely predictable outcome from the moment the UK government decided it didn't want to align its custom regime with the EU, and the UK still hasn't come up with any solution of how to control migration over an uncontrolled border. So at some point there will likely have to be identity checks between Northern Ireland and the Mainland UK, which has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, but which will go down even less well with Loyalist community. 

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1 hour ago, wealdstone said:

The intransigence on both sides is beyond belief. I may have posted this before and I am not quite sure which way it was  but in the Belfast  Branch of a large company where I worked a protestant refused to let a catholic girl do his typing for him ( possibly the other way round) but you will get the point

I used to have an aquaintence that was a double glazing salesman in Northern Ireland, not the usual spiv you associate with double glazing salesmen , but a  guy really on top of his job.  Was a Protestant nominally.He once did a good sale to a Catholic and by word of mouth recommendation he gradually got loads of work in Staunch Catholic areas.  Because he knew his job, did good deals for people and always followed up any problems or complaints he was trusted. So he would go into these heavily Republican areas, someone would give a signal and nobody would touch him or interfere with him in any way, nor would his car be touched by the local yobs.

Moral of the story; decent people are decent people where ever they come from but a combination of phoney clergymen and gangsters seem to perpetuate division.

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Not easy and probably not wanted that anyone outside of NI doesn’t meddle. Seeing as you will have a British input, and that will be met with some suspicion from the Nationalist side and any Republic input will be met with little short of hostility from the loyalist side . The need for some balance is why the US through a Kennedy / Adams push ended up with George Mitchell chairing the peace sessions. Himself having an Irish Catholic background

Looking at some of the Irish comments on the last few days there were a number asking ‘ do we really want a united ireland with this mob ?’

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2 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

So MP's only spent 5 hours debating the Brexit Bill. As it was passed by 521 votes to73 it was hardly a close call or knife edge decision. Quite honestly what difference do you think another 5 hours debating would have made ?

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10 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

So MP's only spent 5 hours debating the Brexit Bill. As it was passed by 521 votes to73 it was hardly a close call or knife edge decision. Quite honestly what difference do you think another 5 hours debating would have made ?

Maybe the bit about shellfish exports for a start? :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Maybe the bit about shellfish exports for a start? :rolleyes:

Maybe ? You really think they should have devoted another several hours on the basis of  a "maybe ". ?The Tories had their side on board in advance, Labour put a three line whip on, so it was always going to sail through before it even went into the chamber. Whether it was a good Brexit agreement or not is a mater of opinion, but after donkeys years of arguing the toss about it dont tell us five hours is not enough. 

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1 hour ago, E I Addio said:

Maybe ? You really think they should have devoted another several hours on the basis of  a "maybe ". ?The Tories had their side on board in advance, Labour put a three line whip on, so it was always going to sail through before it even went into the chamber. Whether it was a good Brexit agreement or not is a mater of opinion, but after donkeys years of arguing the toss about it dont tell us five hours is not enough. 

Frankly it's a disgrace that such an important agreement should have had so little scrutiny. 

Just as the EU Parliament is doing now, there would have been plenty of time to consider the fine points had it been agreed months previously as it should have fine. But of course, Boris deliberately ran out the clock when everyone would be on their Christmas break, to try to hide the fact it was incompetently negotiated as the shellfish industry and others are now finding out. 

It of course sums up the general state of UK democracy though, that MPs allow the government to get away with such incredible incompetence no murmur at all.

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29 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Frankly it's a disgrace that such an important agreement should have had so little scrutiny. 

Just as the EU Parliament is doing now, there would have been plenty of time to consider the fine points had it been agreed months previously as it should have fine. But of course, Boris deliberately ran out the clock when everyone would be on their Christmas break, to try to hide the fact it was incompetently negotiated as the shellfish industry and others are now finding out. 

It of course sums up the general state of UK democracy though, that MPs allow the government to get away with such incredible incompetence no murmur at all.

IT might have been given more time had Remainers not spent four years trying to overturn the democratic result of a referendum

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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:

IT might have been given more time had Remainers not spent four years trying to overturn the democratic result of a referendum

Yawn...

In fact, the UK had four years to negotiate a deal, still stuffed it up, and now the Brexiteers want to blame everyone but themselves. This is quite aside from the fact that the trade agreement should have been part of the Brexit agreement, but again Boris and chums screwed that up as well.

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3 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Maybe the bit about shellfish exports for a start? :rolleyes:

Says the person who said the Fisheries Industry was insignificant :(

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