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13 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

How far away are we from covid quarantine camps like they now have in New Zealand ???

Dunno but it's got to be better than Pontins.

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1 minute ago, dave69 said:

Dunno but it's got to be better than Pontins.

Sounds just like pontin's to me

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3 minutes ago, Shrub said:

SAGE have been completely unchallenged, and look at the bloody mess we are still in.

All you gotta do is add water and a bit of onion, let it soak for a while and were all stuffed.

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Prof Tim Spector,an epidemiologist,of Kings College is another to watch

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15 minutes ago, iris123 said:

I once had a girlfriend who had a nurses uniform and a police womans uniform and a French maids uniform in her wardrobe and I thought 'if she can't hold down a job, then she isn't for me ':D

Any idea what she's upto atm?

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Just now, ruffdiamond said:

Any idea what she's upto atm?

Asking for a friend?

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3 minutes ago, Shrub said:

Asking for a friend?

Hmm, well yeah, but not just a receptionist.  ;)

They talk too much.

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13 minutes ago, Shrub said:

But as the Great Barrington group have suggested, the figures and graphs that SAGE are using are based on poorly compiled data, making wildly inacurate assumptions and using hopelessly flawed models. They have clearly set out the hows and whys of where they think it is wrong. These are not BSF posters, they are Havard professors, Oxford academics, leaders of some of the biggest research companies in the world and respected figures in their fields. It is total blinkered stubborn madness to not allow them to at least debate their points. SAGE have been completely unchallenged, and look at the bloody mess we are still in.

And your explanation of why most other nations are in exactly the same situation is what precisely ? There will always be different points of view especially with a new virus, and I believe there is not just one scenario even within SAGE. Even the Independant Labour group don't seem to want to comment at the moment :DSome of the specialists might not even be knowledgable about the virus in the UK. But I get what your objectives are.   

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6 hours ago, Shrub said:

Well I'd hate to disappoint you!..

We went into lockdown in March, the idea being to buy time and flatten the curve. Indeed, as Dr David Nabbaro, the WHO's special envoy on Covid 19 said "The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, rebalance your resources: protect your health workers who are exhausted" "We (the WHO) do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus".

Well we had three months of it and on the plus side the curve was flattened (though the peak in cases was before the lockdown started), the air was cleaner, wildlife benefited, there was less noise, a lot of people found that they could and actually liked working from home and by and large people followed the guidelines. On the down side 40,000 still died within 28 days of a positive test, at least as many again if not more will probably die as a direct result of the lockdown restrictions, millions lost their jobs, thousands of businesses went to the wall, hundreds of people didn't get their cancer's detected early due to screening's being suspended, large numbers of routine operations were cancelled meaning for some treatable conditions became permanent ones, mounting mental health issues and national debt exceeded £2 trillion for the first time.

And after all that we now find ourselves more or less back where we started.

This time there is plenty of 'real' evidence and data related to the virus, not just models. And there are now thousands of doctors, scientists epidemiologists, many as eminent in their fields as the governments experts, some more meritorious who say that the approach is wrong and there is another way. Who knows if they are right? The shameful thing is there is no debate to be had, SAGE go completely unchallenged and most of the media (not all) seek to smear them rather than argue and debate what they say. They have set out their arguments clearly and with data to back why they think SAGE are wrong. Why the Imperial College models that SAGE use are hopelessly wrong. These are not conspiracy theorists, lizard people or general loons but people who at least should be properly heard.

So we are going to do it all again. I'm not a medical expert but I'll tell you what will happen. The curve will gradually flatten but with no planned exit strategy as soon as it ends it will creep back up again and we'll be back where we started yet again. In the meantime thousands more jobs will be lost and it will be the final straw for countless more businesses. Hospital waiting lists for non Covid conditions will spiral even further out control. The hospitality and leisure sector will be a case of not so much kicking a man when he's down but picking up the baseball bat and continuously clubbing it over the head until it's very lifeblood is running into the gutter. 

Lockdown failed before and it will fail again. At the very least we should be looking for and talking to those who see another way.

Excellent post.

Why has Imperial College not modelled the alternative “quarantine” option?

 

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3 minutes ago, dave69 said:

Prof Tim Spector,an epidemiologist,of Kings College is another to watch

So is Sunetra Gupta at Oxford University;)

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40 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

How far away are we from covid quarantine camps like they now have in New Zealand ???

Nightingale hospitals? Empty testing sites?

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1 hour ago, The Third Man said:

So can you tell me then?

i have asked a few times but no answer yet

Come on, Tsunami, answer his questions with facts and figures rather than bluster and rudeness!  :D

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11 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

And your explanation of why most other nations are in exactly the same situation is what precisely ? There will always be different points of view especially with a new virus, and I believe there is not just one scenario even within SAGE. Even the Independant Labour group don't seem to want to comment at the moment :DSome of the specialists might not even be knowledgable about the virus in the UK. But I get what your objectives are.   

And most of the other nations are following lockdowns as well!! No doubt there will be different views amongst the SAGE members but we see only the collective view. Do you agree though that they should be given a chance to state and explain their case?

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