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3 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

He never said that, he never implied that, just fishing for another argument as usual...:rolleyes:

But power is one of the targets, or expected targets for a long while. Also the worry that Nuclear Power stations will be targeted. And the attacks will get more sophisticated, so the defence must always keep one step ahead. It is the world we live in. Just as we have already heard of the threat self drive cars could have from attacks etc.

You are the one fishing with your fake crap pinched from internet groups and go off and hide when proven wrong. Yesterday another perfect example.....:party: 

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2 minutes ago, dave69 said:

French Frogland has already hinted at that.

A few people and websites have hinted at it 

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1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

A few people and websites have hinted at it 

David Icke  :party::party::rofl:

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2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

 

Well Well Well. And then there are some that say there is no proof that Lockdown works. :approve:

Which part of that Sweden article proves that lockdown works? 

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14 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

David Ike  :party::party::rofl:

No he hasn’t and it’s still got a c in icke, you are the pandemic and you are costing jobs and in the long term lives, get your head out of your arse and take a look around, it’s all there for you, even from your own beloved government 

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2 hours ago, iris123 said:

It is a good point. You can't argue with it, and I am not sure anyone is. Look at R&R's stats and the deaths only started rising again in October. It is November that it really gained steam and therefore I guess the effort to stop it in its tracks. The thing is the government can and will say without that effort the figures would be even worse. Whereas the other years there was no real effort other than to urge people to get a flu vaccination

So what? Those who die “with flu” in November increases over October too.

If this year is no worse for deaths than the worst year over the last twenty or so I don’t see how it can be claimed that this is a pandemic, that this is unprecedented and that lockdowns are justified.

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3 hours ago, iris123 said:

New corona report: Sweden is the worst

Sweden has been the worst country when it comes to reducing the spread of infection according to the OECD's latest report.

 

The Swedish people have been the worst at isolating themselves during the pandemic. Sweden is also the worst at handling corona on a number of other points. It writes the journalist  Emanuel Karlsten , who reviewed the OECD 's latest report on developments in the 35 member countries.

According to the organization's statistics, Sweden stands out on several points for its handling of the pandemic this spring - and it is not in a good way.

Sweden has, among other things, been the worst at reducing the r-number, ie the figure that indicates how many people a corona-infected person is expected to pass on the infection to. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Which part of that Sweden article proves that lockdown works? 

The article says that the Swedes have been the worst at isolating themselves, and that they have been the worst at reducing the R rate infection rate. Other countries, including the UK, have used lockdowns to limit mixing therefore limiting contact between people, and to lower the R rate. Everything being equal, it is right to suggest had the Swedes followed that path they would have been in better control of their own situation. The best actions before the vaccine rolls out is, and always has been, to stop mixing and having direct contact by "Lockdown". 

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19 minutes ago, DC2 said:

So what? Those who die “with flu” in November increases over October too.

If this year is no worse for deaths than the worst year over the last twenty or so I don’t see how it can be claimed that this is a pandemic, that this is unprecedented and that lockdowns are justified.

Is the coronavirus disease a pandemic?
A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide.
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4 minutes ago, Tsunami said:
Is the coronavirus disease a pandemic?
A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide.

He has difficulty understanding the basics 

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3 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

 

The article says that the Swedes have been the worst at isolating themselves, and that they have been the worst at reducing the R rate infection rate. Other countries, including the UK, have used lockdowns to limit mixing therefore limiting contact between people, and to lower the R rate. Everything being equal, it is right to suggest had the Swedes followed that path they would have been in better control of their own situation. The best actions before the vaccine rolls out is, and always has been, to stop mixing and having direct contact by "Lockdown". 

But “worst” implies that reducing the R number quickly has value whereas Sweden has never intended to “isolate themselves” and has always intended to allow the virus to circulate in the hope that it would achieve herd immunity or die out of its own accord and that by doing so they would not trash their economy. How do lockdowns compare in terms of keeping economies going, not creating a tax time bomb, keeping children in education and continuing with medical treatments?

You say lockdown causes the R number to go down but how do you prove it didn’t cause it to go up in the first place with households infecting each other and the number then going down as they got better? Without lockdowns there may have been fewer cases in families and consequently fewer cases in total.

 

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12 minutes ago, Tsunami said:
Is the coronavirus disease a pandemic?
A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide.

Doh.

We know it was declared a pandemic, but my point is on what basis and is it any more a pandemic than flu is annually?

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British Government said 'Saddam has WMDs'.

Saddam said 'No I haven't'.

Brits said 'Sort him out, he's a liar'.

He had no WMDs, our Government lied to us.

And this Government is lying to us now.

 

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7 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

British Government said 'Saddam has WMDs'.

Saddam said 'No I haven't'.

Brits said 'Sort him out, he's a liar'.

He had no WMDs, our Government lied to us.

And this Government is lying to us now.

 

Have you watched Official Secrets, about how Lord Goldsmith changed his advice?

An excellent film for those who believe everything their government tells them.

That’s you nami. :D

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15 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

British Government said 'Saddam has WMDs'.

Saddam said 'No I haven't'.

Brits said 'Sort him out, he's a liar'.

He had no WMDs, our Government lied to us.

And this Government is lying to us now.

 

You seem to assume there was a time when the government always told the truth . Not sure when. Not in 1994 when they denied they were on talks with the IRA and they were

What it seems you are asking us to believe though is practically every world government is telling a lie for the same reason

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44 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

 

The article says that the Swedes have been the worst at isolating themselves, and that they have been the worst at reducing the R rate infection rate. Other countries, including the UK, have used lockdowns to limit mixing therefore limiting contact between people, and to lower the R rate. Everything being equal, it is right to suggest had the Swedes followed that path they would have been in better control of their own situation. The best actions before the vaccine rolls out is, and always has been, to stop mixing and having direct contact by "Lockdown". 

For any fans of lockdown......please have a look at South America, it’s been ignored by MSM of late, given the problems in Peru and Argentina...the latter with the longest lockdown on the Continent and with “ cases” rising again. 
Meanwhile in Brazil who did “ diddly squat” their death rate per 100,000 is less than the 2 named, and at 165,000 dead for a population 3x the size of the U.K. has suffered a similar loss of life as we have. 
Lockdowns do many things....but viral spread is “ immune” from its catastrophic effects. 

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