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5 minutes ago, DC2 said:

And Iris will translate it into Swedish and back, muddle it up, apply it to some regions but not others, give it a bit of spin and copy and paste it as gobbledegook. :D 

You don't do your self any favours with comments such as these - stick to facts. 

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3 minutes ago, dj350z said:

You don't do your self any favours with comments such as these - stick to facts. 

They are facts...:D

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Just now, Blupanther said:

They are facts...:D

Anything I post is always up to be criticized or proved wrong. The fact is they very rarely are, and your stuff is more often than not proved to be wrong. You can’t take it.....now you even start calling them ‘alternative facts’ which is basically ‘ balls’ repackaged :party:

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22 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

They are facts...:D

No they are not - they are DC2 opinions. I thought he only dealt in facts?

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'Tiers of a clown'.

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2 hours ago, iris123 said:

News from Sweden B) and some sort of explanation as to why excess deaths aren't higher. Which ties up with Denmark and Hamburg to some extent. Though I don't know what winter vomiting is and why the Covid measures should have lowered those deaths, seeing as we haven't had winter + Covid yet. But sure it is a dodgy translation. Pneumonia perhaps

Fewer than usual have died in Karlstad: Not entirely surprised

Three municipalities stand out in the statistics on the number of deaths during the current corona pandemic.

At the top is Karlstad, where fewer than usual died in 2020.

- I am not completely surprised, says Ingemar Hallén who is operations manager and infection control doctor in the Värmland Region.

The spread of covid-19 is increasing throughout Sweden and half of all regions are now working in staff mode, which Aftonbladet recently wrote about.

In the past week, 20 out of 21 counties have reported that the spread of infection is increasing, as is the pressure on healthcare when more and more corona-infected patients are admitted to the country's hospitals. 

Higher than average

That 2020 has been a gloomy year is probably something many people sign.

In some of the most affected municipalities - Stockholm, Södertälje, Botkyrka and Haninge - the number of deaths between January and October this year was 10-20 percent higher than the average for the previous five years, according to statistics from Statistics Sweden (SCB).

However, there are municipalities where mortality has been significantly lower.

Among the country's 25 largest municipalities, three stand out in particular - Karlstad , Lund and Malmö. Fewer people died there in 2020 than at the same time in the last five years.

"Avoided part of the top"

Among other things, this is due to the fact that the municipalities to some extent managed to avoid the peak in mortality that occurred during the spring.

- Karlstad avoided some of that peak in May while Lund and Malmö ducked it completely in April. As a result, these municipalities did not escape the pandemic completely during the spring, but did not reach the peak levels seen in Stockholm, for example, says Tomas Johansson, population statistician at Statistics Sweden, and continues:

- A large part of the mortality in Karlstad and Lund is linked to September and October, while there were a few more deaths in Malmö during the same period.

At the same time, increased infection control measures have helped to reduce other diseases, such as seasonal flu and winter vomiting.

"Not completely surprised"

Ingemar Hallén is operations manager and infection control doctor in the Värmland Region.

He is not entirely surprised by the result, as Värmland has generally had a comparatively low spread of infection, both during the spring, summer and so far during the autumn, according to him.

- However, the number of cases has increased sharply in the last month here as well. Until week 44, Karlstad has, from our perspective, had a medium spread of infection. But the number of cases in municipal health and care in the county has during that time been very few, which I think is due to the fact that the general spread of infection has not been so great and that we have had a good job in health and care together with infection control.

Disappeared quickly

When asked what led to the success of the death toll, Ingemar Hallén points out that it is difficult to know for sure:

- But I think that active infection tracing work combined with home insulation of household and close contacts during the start of the pandemic in March contributed to us not getting such a large spread. When various advice and recommendations from the Swedish Public Health Agency were then implemented, the initial situation was relatively good here, and it was clear that the flu cases disappeared quickly. So it was clearly a time relationship and probably a causal relationship.

- Another success factor, I think, is that we are a relatively small region with good networks and cooperation with each other.

What does the work look like in the future to keep the death toll down?

- It is still about keeping the spread of infection in society and especially preventing it from happening among the elderly and in municipal health and care. In addition, the identification of cases has improved and so has the treatment of severe covid-19, which should contribute to a lower mortality rate.

I think this is what they are referring to
Norovirus, also called the "winter vomiting bug", is a stomach bug that causes vomiting and diarrhoea. It can be very unpleasant, but usually goes away in about 2 days
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7 minutes ago, Old Crusader said:
I think this is what they are referring to
Norovirus, also called the "winter vomiting bug", is a stomach bug that causes vomiting and diarrhoea. It can be very unpleasant, but usually goes away in about 2 days

Thanks for that

 If anyone is interested there is a live press conference from the WHO on Covid now

https://www.expressen.se/tv/nyheter/live/live-tv-who-haller-presstraff-om-coronalaget-201123/

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2 hours ago, racers and royals said:

Today’s UK Hospital Covid 19 reported deaths

England   178   38269

Scotland  0   (3503)

Wales  9   (2385)

NI  3  (936)

All UK Covid 19 deaths reported today- Hospital  190  other  16 total    206

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1 hour ago, wealdstone said:

For gods sake just wait for a graph from Suffolk

You are not taking this discussion seriously B)

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5 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

You are not taking this discussion seriously B)

What could be more serious than an illuminating graph from Suffolk. I believe in the not too distant past  he could    even produce a graph to solve a quadratic equation.

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6 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

What could be more serious than an illuminating graph from Suffolk. I believe in the not too distant past  he could    even produce a graph to solve a quadratic equation.

I could do that, but would you understand it ...:)

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3 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

I could do that, but would you understand it ...:)

I too did maths at School. 

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13 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

I too did maths at School. 

I think you’ll find that was meths?  :D

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Its a miracle i tell you, a miracle ...

 

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2 hours ago, DC2 said:

It’s low on the basis that deaths were supposed to be “escalating exponentially” into the lockdown!

Allowing for the lag, today should have been the peak Monday with more than 500 deaths, but it’s way short of that.

It looks like the lockdown wasn’t justified.

Or has worked. 

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