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Please take seriously the government’s advice about meeting loved ones on Christmas Day:

if you’re stupid enough to cram 1,000 family members into your living room 3 of them might have Covid!   :D

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12 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Something doesn’t sound quite right about this conclusion from research into Covid deaths in young people.

Is it just that the young people had underlying health issues or were obese?

Could you please give a link, Iris?

Since we're talking about people of an age not normally expected to die, I would have thought any with the sort of underlying health conditions we're told Covid finishes off early would be in the 'expected' category and the article states 12000 more than expected died.

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“Newspaper headlines: Boris Johnson's 'stark warning' for merry 'little' Christmas” BBC

Despite all the apocalyptic headlines, not one mention on the front pages today that even the worst hit areas have no more than 5 cases in 1,000 people.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Blachshadow said:

Since we're talking about people of an age not normally expected to die, I would have thought any with the sort of underlying health conditions we're told Covid finishes off early would be in the 'expected' category and the article states 12000 more than expected died.

No, “More than expected” is normally referring to excess deaths.

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Cancer scan backlog raises late detection fears

The impact of the pandemic on cancer services is revealed by BBC News analysis showing at least 4.4 million fewer scans were carried out in England between April and September than during the same period in 2019. With one in seven people now waiting more than three months for a scan, Cancer Research UK is warning patients "could be diagnosed with a more aggressive, later-stage cancer". NHS England says some services are back at last year's levels. BBC

4.4 million fewer cancer scans!

And people on here deny that is happening!

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19 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Cancer scan backlog raises late detection fears

The impact of the pandemic on cancer services is revealed by BBC News analysis showing at least 4.4 million fewer scans were carried out in England between April and September than during the same period in 2019. With one in seven people now waiting more than three months for a scan, Cancer Research UK is warning patients "could be diagnosed with a more aggressive, later-stage cancer". NHS England says some services are back at last year's levels. BBC

4.4 million fewer cancer scans!

And people on here deny that is happening!

We were told on here by our medical friends, but as usual some people have an aversion to the truth. We are sitting on a ticking time bomb of cancer deaths...

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40 minutes ago, DC2 said:

No, “More than expected” is normally referring to excess deaths.

Which is my point.

The article in Iris's post mentions 12000 excess deaths in the 25 to 44 age group. You then post saying there is no mention of how many had underlying health conditions. In that age group, any such people (with underlying health problems they would be likely to die from anyway) would be in the 'expected' category so would not be counted in the excess deaths the article mentions.

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9 minutes ago, Vincent Blachshadow said:

The article in Iris's post mentions 12000 excess deaths in the 25 to 44 age group.

You then post saying there is no mention of how many had underlying health conditions.

In that age group, any such people (with underlying health problems they would be likely to die from anyway) would be in the 'expected' category so would not be counted in the excess deaths the article mentions.

You’re mixing up “denying that Covid had a part in those deaths” with “why Covid may have had a part in those deaths”.

I’m looking for an explanation for the latter.

People with underlying health conditions are not necessarily expected to die, certainly not in the 25 to 44 age group.  Such conditions might be serious (cancer, heart disease, morbid obesity) but they might also be life long ones that only moderately affect life expectancy (asthma, diabetes, being overweight), but one of those sets is normally present in Covid deaths of younger people.

That’s the point I was making.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, DC2 said:

You’re mixing up “denying that Covid had a part in those deaths” with “why Covid may have had a part in those deaths”.

I’m looking for an explanation for the latter.

People with underlying health conditions are not necessarily expected to die, certainly not in the 25 to 44 age group.  Such conditions might be serious (cancer, heart disease, morbid obesity) but they might also be life long ones that only moderately affect life expectancy (asthma, diabetes, being overweight), but one of those sets is normally present in Covid deaths of younger people.

That’s the point I was making.

 

 

It now seems that Covid does in fact attack, attach itself, whatever to people under retirement age at a far greater rate than many thought. 

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1 hour ago, Vincent Blachshadow said:

It now seems that Covid does in fact attack, attach itself, whatever to people under retirement age at a far greater rate than many thought. 

Really?

Please look up and quote the UK stats that prove that.

The 12,000 excess deaths in younger people in the USA equates to 2,400 in the UK but there have been fewer than 755 here in that age range.

It is almost certainly due to the US having worse comorbidities, particularly obesity.

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

Please take seriously the government’s advice about meeting loved ones on Christmas Day:

if you’re stupid enough to cram 1,000 family members into your living room 3 of them might have Covid!   :D

Yeah, but its only 1 in Swindon, apparently. ;)

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2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Yeah, but its only 1 in Swindon, apparently. ;)

Correct.

The mother in law.  :D

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26 minutes ago, Vincent Blachshadow said:

It now seems that Covid does in fact attack, attach itself, whatever to people under retirement age at a far greater rate than many thought. 

 

There have been 755 “with Covid” deaths in the UK 15 to 44 age group to 4 December.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fweeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales%2f2020/publishedweek492020.xlsx

The most weekly registrations were 109 in the week to 24 April.  In the “second wave” the highest has been 26.

Please explain why you think Covid attacks younger people far more than previously thought.

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Despite the Worldwide pandemic that is devastating mankind and causing frenzied calls to Cancel Christmas, BBC reports:

FEWER HOSPITAL BEDS OCCUPIED THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR

 

“The latest hospital occupancy data has been published in England. It shows in the week ending 13 December, 89% of beds were occupied, leaving 10,500 empty beds.

That means hospitals were actually busier this time last year, when 95% of beds were occupied.“

We have about 89,000 hospital beds and 18,038 have patients who have tested positive.

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

Really?

Please look up and quote the UK stats that prove that.

The 12,000 excess deaths in younger people in the USA equates to 2,400 in the UK. If that is more than the actual UK number it is almost certainly due to the US having worse comorbidities, particularly obesity.

Do you think I've nothing better to do than trawl the internet morbidly looking for death and sickness figures?

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