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Police are going round Bury St Edmunds instructing shops that are legally operating click and collect sales to shut...

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9 minutes ago, MattK said:

Do you have a source for that "official view"?

I assume that you have not been reading the press on this subject over the last six weeks?

By way of introduction, have a read of this article from Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

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7 minutes ago, MattK said:

Do you have a source for that "official view"?

Your original post is relevant for the Pfizer vaccine Matt. 
No vaccine manufacturer claims anything other than a reduction in severity of symptoms. Nothing about immunity or infectivity... The 90% + benefit is “relative” ( 8 vs. 162) the “absolute” benefit is less than 1%....

Mind you if you try hard enough the numbers can mean anything....just ask Van Tam !

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16 minutes ago, dj350z said:

"Johnson hails signs lockdown IS working"!

Which coincides with passing the mid-point of the season.  :D

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1 minute ago, DC2 said:

Which coincides with passing the mid-point of the season.  :D

What season ? Asking for a friend...;) 

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3 minutes ago, DC2 said:

I assume that you have not been reading the press on this subject over the last six weeks?

By way of introduction, have a read of this article from Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

I can't see anything in that article that says the vaccine only prevents you from the "worse effects". In fact, the article states, almost word for word, what I posted previously:

"Tests on more than 43,000 people have shown that the Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective at preventing disease when measured a week after participants are given its second dose, the New York City-based firm said in November when it and BioNTech, in Mainz, Germany, submitted a request for emergency approval to the US Food and Drug Administration."

What am I supposed to be looking at?

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15 minutes ago, MattK said:

Do you have a source for that "official view"?

And from the government’s website:

Will the vaccine protect you?

The COVID-19 vaccine that you have had has been shown to reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. Each vaccine has been tested in more than 20,000 people in several different countries and shown to be safe.

It may take a week or two for your body to build up some protection from the first dose of vaccine. Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.

To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:

practice social distancing

wear a face mask

wash your hands carefully and frequently

follow the current guidance

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1 minute ago, MattK said:

I can't see anything in that article that says the vaccine only prevents you from the "worse effects". In fact, the article states, almost word for word, what I posted previously:

"Tests on more than 43,000 people have shown that the Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective at preventing disease when measured a week after participants are given its second dose, the New York City-based firm said in November when it and BioNTech, in Mainz, Germany, submitted a request for emergency approval to the US Food and Drug Administration."

What am I supposed to be looking at?

You didn’t read this bit then?

“But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of the virus in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst-case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin at the University of Leeds, UK.”

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In order to enforce social distancing, Sage is recommending everyone must wear these...

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4 minutes ago, DC2 said:

And from the government’s website:

Will the vaccine protect you?

The COVID-19 vaccine that you have had has been shown to reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. Each vaccine has been tested in more than 20,000 people in several different countries and shown to be safe.

It may take a week or two for your body to build up some protection from the first dose of vaccine. Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.

To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:

practice social distancing

wear a face mask

wash your hands carefully and frequently

follow the current guidance

Those sentences that you have highlighted in bold type contradict each other so I don't believe you can come to any conclusion one way or the other.

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Just now, DC2 said:

And from the government’s website:

Will the vaccine protect you?

The COVID-19 vaccine that you have had has been shown to reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. Each vaccine has been tested in more than 20,000 people in several different countries and shown to be safe.

It may take a week or two for your body to build up some protection from the first dose of vaccine. Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.

To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:

practice social distancing

wear a face mask

wash your hands carefully and frequently

follow the current guidance

That's correct. The vaccine protects against you developing Covid-19, which is the disease spread by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It does not prevent infection, or as the suggested infecting others.

Some people will still get Covid-19, as the study shows. The vaccine is not 100% effective and I am not aware that anyone claimed it is.

However, you seem to have taken the above and conflated it to mean something that it doesn't namely that the vaccine only protects again the "worse effects".

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5 minutes ago, DC2 said:

You didn’t read this bit then?

“But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of the virus in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst-case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin at the University of Leeds, UK.”

Correct. The vaccine was never designed to prevent infection. It is designed to prevent those who have been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus from developing Covid-19.

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1 minute ago, dj350z said:

Those sentences that you have highlighted in bold type contradict each other so I don't believe you can come to any conclusion one way or the other.

 

Hmmmm ..... all of that is from the government’s own website, presumably as sanctioned by Sage.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-what-to-expect-after-vaccination/what-to-expect-after-your-covid-19-vaccination

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2 minutes ago, MattK said:

That's correct. The vaccine protects against you developing Covid-19, which is the disease spread by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It does not prevent infection, or as the suggested infecting others.

Some people will still get Covid-19, as the study shows. The vaccine is not 100% effective and I am not aware that anyone claimed it is.

However, you seem to have taken the above and conflated it to mean something that it doesn't namely that the vaccine only protects again the "worse effects".

What does this mean then:

“Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.“

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