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1 hour ago, MattK said:

What are you struggling with? No one is going to make that statement. The only reliable statement is the result of the study, which I have quoted numerous times. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to prove here?

One final go.

Was not the trial result:

there were 95% fewer people in the vaccinated group who had symptoms and tested positive

compared to the placebo group who had symptoms and tested positive.

But none of those in either group who had no symptoms were then tested, to check for asymptomatic cases.

That’s why the 95% result is about symptoms rather than the disease (symptomatic and asymptomatic).

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8 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

:D

 I think you are the one with the N instead of the L  :D

#LOVEYOUTOO

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58 minutes ago, DC2 said:

One final go.

Was not the trial result:

there were 95% fewer people in the vaccinated group who had symptoms and tested positive

compared to the placebo group who had symptoms and tested positive.

But none of those in either group who had no symptoms were then tested, to check for asymptomatic cases.

That’s why the 95% result is about symptoms rather than the disease (symptomatic and asymptomatic).

Can you show me where in the study documentation it states only those who had symptoms were tested?

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17 minutes ago, dave69 said:

A little bit more control all the time.

Had the same at Maidstone hospital in Kent this morning.

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Covid marshals...:icon_smile_clown:

 

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Today's ONS final week release points,

  • Of the deaths registered in Week 53, 3,144 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 31.2% of all deaths in England and Wales; in Week 53, deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) increased compared with Week 52 (by 232 deaths).

  • Of the 3,144 deaths involving COVID-19, 2,741 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (87.2%)

  • Of the deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 187 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (7.5%).

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5 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

Covid marshals...:icon_smile_clown:

 

Hmmm

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7 hours ago, DC2 said:

To be fair, there’s one or two posters on here who seem to do that every time their fingers hit the keyboard.   :D

That's no way to talk about yourself and your mates. True but ;)

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6 hours ago, DC2 said:

Argument?

Just making the point that you laying it on thick about layers misses the point that transmission will still occur.

Which was your argument for supporting masks in the early days about March/April. Fenway's tried to educate yourself but, as usual, you didn't take his hint. Eventually you are now showing signs of being anti masks, which just shows you have an opinion for each occasion. Try spinning a coin next time. 

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2 hours ago, DC2 said:

What we really need to see is deaths by date of death so we can properly track what is happening.

Whether or not those people died from Covid rather than with Covid is a different matter.

 

Not really. Whether they died with covid, we are certainly seeing a rise in deaths due to it  - whether that be because covid has killed them, exacerbated an existing condition, or because the person hasn't received treatment for something entirely unrelated, it's still the pandemic that is the overall reason so many people are dying.

What is more concerning is the total lack of humanity being shown on this thread. These "statistics" are people - humans - parents, children, grandparents, friends... What is wrong with some of you?

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also asking about worrying new Brazilian variant, which government knows about for three days, but says there are still direct flights coming from Brazil to UK Johnson says 'gov is taking steps' on this but won't say there is a travel ban, because there isn't

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points out that despite South African variant being identified 4 weeks ago, people can still fly into the UK from SA via places like Dubai or Istanbul, with no test, no checks and travel around country PM says 'balanced approach needed for border policy' - what?

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5 hours ago, Blupanther said:

100%

 

Is this Doctor for real. Look at the right hand side and the deaths figure is downward. Given that the recent level was restarting again in the low hundreds, increasing to 500+ and for a good few days now well over the 1000 deaths per day, with a shocking number today. As this chart is total deaths, what is the point in publishing it when the main cause now is COVID and these figures are rising alarmingly. Is this another medic with an issue feeding the likes of DC2 with potential fake news. He has already queried  the seriousness of recent deaths figures are only about 70%ish of the March/April figures. DC2, its 'only' dying humans, so why do you not care what crap you post on here, egged on by the crazy gang..  

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26 minutes ago, June01 said:

Not really. Whether they died with covid, we are certainly seeing a rise in deaths due to it  - whether that be because covid has killed them, exacerbated an existing condition, or because the person hasn't received treatment for something entirely unrelated, it's still the pandemic that is the overall reason so many people are dying.

What is more concerning is the total lack of humanity being shown on this thread. These "statistics" are people - humans - parents, children, grandparents, friends... What is wrong with some of you?

It’s that same humanity that is concerned for those same humans, parents, children and friends who are being harmed by lockdown.

The business failures, unemployed, the cancer and heart disease being missed and neglected. The domestic violence, suicides and mental health crisis ignored by the cult of Covid. Tens of thousands of people will die, suffer and have their lives blighted by these repeated lockdowns, reducing economic and educational opportunities for a generation. 
These lives absolutely matter, but do not get the same media and political attention that they deserve. 
Government caused societal carnage and early deaths are coming, and soon. 

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