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12 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Just to be clear so that no one is mislead CSO means Chief Scientific Officer , but what the Twitterati don’t mention is that he was CSO on allergy and respiratory illnesses , and has been all his career i.e his speciality is not in  immunology , virology or epidemiology . On top of that he was discredited last October when he claimed the pandemic was over when it clearly wasn’t.

So the question is why should any of us accept his word in preference to the next man, especially if the next man is an epidemiologist?

Common sense?,,, or maybe not.

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4 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Just to be clear so that no one is mislead CSO means Chief Scientific Officer , but what the Twitterati don’t mention is that he was CSO on allergy and respiratory illnesses , and has been all his career i.e his speciality is not in  immunology , virology or epidemiology . On top of that he was discredited last October when he claimed the pandemic was over when it clearly wasn’t.

So the question is why should any of us accept his word in preference to the next man, especially if the next man is an epidemiologist?

His claim was that the first wave was over by mid 2020, but he always said it would return as a seasonal virus. He definitely knows a bit about vaccines, but despite his expertise he has been banned on twitter and treated as an outlier by MSM. When debate gets shut down, i become very suspicious...

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32 minutes ago, DC2 said:

That seems a tenuous distinction.

He was the CSO for respiratory illnesses; is Covid respiratory?

What specialism do Vallance, Whitty and Van Tam have in this field?  And do they need it to be able to comment?

I don’t know much about Vallance etc but it’s Yeadon that’s under discussion at the moment. However, if for the sake of argument we say Vallance etc are nothing special, that doesn’t somehow make Yeadon any better or worse. He stands on his own merit or lack of , as the case maybe.   Vallance and co have a lot of back up to call on ( from memory I think there are about sub committees under them) as opposed to Yeadon who seems to be a one man band.

Why should I not just be guided by my GP practice that I have been with nearly all my adult life and have been outstanding IMO ?

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34 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

His claim was that the first wave was over by mid 2020, but he always said it would return as a seasonal virus. He definitely knows a bit about vaccines, but despite his expertise he has been banned on twitter and treated as an outlier by MSM. When debate gets shut down, i become very suspicious...

I understand your suspicions but for similar reasons I try to apply the Devils Advocate test to all of them.  

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47 minutes ago, DC2 said:

That seems a tenuous distinction.

He was the CSO for respiratory illnesses; is Covid respiratory?

What specialism do Vallance, Whitty and Van Tam have in this field?  And do they need it to be able to comment?

and lets not forget the king of the castle neil ferguson

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16 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

I don’t know much about Vallance etc but it’s Yeadon that’s under discussion at the moment. However, if for the sake of argument we say Vallance etc are nothing special, that doesn’t somehow make Yeadon any better or worse. He stands on his own merit or lack of , as the case maybe.   Vallance and co have a lot of back up to call on ( from memory I think there are about sub committees under them) as opposed to Yeadon who seems to be a one man band.

Why should I not just be guided by my GP practice that I have been with nearly all my adult life and have been outstanding IMO ?

It should be pretty clear to everyone by now that as it currently stands no one is an expert on Covid, its vaccines or how to combat it.

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The only experts on covid are the Chinese who leaked it out.... sorry the Australian beef farmers -_-:D

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19 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Why should I not just be guided by my GP practice that I have been with nearly all my adult life and have been outstanding IMO ?

Good to hear that your GP has managed to cure all your ills, it seems you've been lucky enough to not have to look at alternative therapy to mend your ailments. 

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Just now, ruffdiamond said:

Good to hear that your GP has managed to cure all your ills, it seems you've been lucky enough to not have to look at alternative therapy to mend your ailments. 

GP's can't actually cure very much at all. The are trained in Allopathic medicine, which is illness and disease control management using pharmaceutical drugs... 

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30 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Good to hear that your GP has managed to cure all your ills, it seems you've been lucky enough to not have to look at alternative therapy to mend your ailments. 

I don’t knock alternative therapy as I have some good friends that have done very well on it, but I do think there are a lot of quacks in that area of medicine and it’s easy to get taken in . 

Its not so much that they cure everything but I don’t seem to have the sort of problems a lot of others seem to have with their doctors. I book appointments on line, and they all seem very thorough, anything problematical they get you straight down to hospital for an x ray. I think the thing is they have enough staff and a lot of GP’s elsewhere don’t seem to be very efficient. I am very lucky in that respect because I know a lot of people aren’t happy with their GP’s.

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30 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

GP's can't actually cure very much at all. The are trained in Allopathic medicine, which is illness and disease control management using pharmaceutical drugs... 

I can’t remember my GP ever giving me pharmaceutical drugs except anti biopics once, maybe twice, not that they see much of me but they do help you understand what’s wrong and how to deal with it. I think half the trouble is people usually want a magic pill to make them  better but don’t want to work on things like diet , or physio exercises.

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20 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

I can’t remember my GP ever giving me pharmaceutical drugs except anti biopics once, maybe twice, not that they see much of me but they do help you understand what’s wrong and how to deal with it. I think half the trouble is people usually want a magic pill to make them  better but don’t want to work on things like diet , or physio exercises.

That's a fact. Too many folk don't realise you can never outrun a bad diet...

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Romanians know better than most where all this government control is going...

 

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9 hours ago, Blupanther said:

GP's can't actually cure very much at all. The are trained in Allopathic medicine, which is illness and disease control management using pharmaceutical drugs... 

....certainly not in my experience. Rarely get to see one as it's nigh impossible at my local surgery.

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I'm in the same, fortunate position as E I Addio in that our local GP surgery is brilliantly well run. Very, very rarely I see a GP but just over a year ago I was one of those who phoned in because I felt really rough, spoke to the GP to be told that there was a nasty virus doing the rounds and that most people were getting past the worst in 3 days but expect to feel very tired for up to a month afterwards. They also offered to visit if I felt I needed it.

Time before that was about a nagging shoulder pain following yet another display of my lack of motorcycle racing abilities, I was given an appointment for the following morning and getting physio within a week. Mrs H has an ongoing condition that requires regular visits and never has a problem with them either. It's a complete contrast to our most local hospital and entirely down to the way they are managed. That is one of the reasons I am convinced that a rise in funding will not improve the NHS, i needs to manage what it has properly first and then I would have no issues with taxation being increased with it all going to the NHS.

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