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21 minutes ago, auntie doris said:

Swindon 3 Pompey 1!!!

Doesn't help you that Wigan are leading right now, but you are still trying hard to give yourselves a chance on the last day...

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26 minutes ago, YerRopes said:

Never expected that on recent form.. 

There's still hope.. 

Need to win remaining 3 to be in with a chance of staying up. Barton's Rovers look doomed.:D Charlton heading towards play-offs, great form under Adkins.:)

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11 hours ago, falcace said:

Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal - none of them have ever won the European Cup or Champions League...and they think they deserve exclusive protected status above everyone else? If we are basing this on any sort of sporting merit Notts Forest, Aston Villa, Celtic, Ajax all stand taller. But it's not based on any merit. It's based on pure financial greed. 

This is an opportune moment for FIFA, UEFA and the Premier League to reset the structure. Chuck them all out...cut off the oxygen of their domestic audiences in domestic leagues and actually properly apply financial fair play rules and bring some authentic sporting merit back.  

Just to play devils advocate here (since nobody in the actual media is prepared to) what if the big six merit their exclusive place based on their brand value and commercial pull?

Yes it's not sport but it ceased being a sport in the purest sense in the early 90's.

The wealth of any EPL club is largely dependant on worldwide appeal and associated TV rights and sponsorships.  How many English companies appear on shirts?  And that appeal is, with all due respect, not because Burnley might win it.  It's because the foreign audiences love the Man Utd etc brand and big name players.  They don't care that Spurs have won fewer titles than the League One team I support. Rid yourselves of the big six and watch that revenue disappear.

The demise of the proposal will be lauded as a victory over the commercialisation of the game by those who will then buy a new replica shirt, pay a fortune for a season ticket and Sky subscription.

And what will we be left with.  A Premier League that only six teams can win (Leicester was a miracle) and will never be relegated, even if they make terrible football decisions, and a Champions League that mostly those six will share entry to anyway which will now have even more meaningless lower standard matches for us to enjoy. 

Whilst I'd love the sport to return back to a more even playing field where smaller teams can prosper on sporting merit that ship sailed away over 1/4 of a century ago. 

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Alan Sugar warned us of the big clubs greed and financial naivety 25 years ago...

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7 hours ago, Blupanther said:

Alan Sugar warned us of the big clubs greed and financial naivety 25 years ago...

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I gave up on professional football years ago when big money was being circulated and ridiculous transfer fees and salaries were being paid. The game became elitist and those not within that group (owned by rich foreign 'fat cats') were having to pay money they didn't have just to keep up hence why so many clubs are struggling with debt....and never mind the extortionate ticket pricing fans were expected to pay. I find it unacceptable that even when playing in front of empty stands due to the pandemic footballers are still being paid vast salaries and I'm not personally prepared to endorse the game at that level.

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1 hour ago, steve roberts said:

I gave up on professional football years ago when big money was being circulated and ridiculous transfer fees and salaries were being paid. The game became elitist and those not within that group (owned by rich foreign 'fat cats') were having to pay money they didn't have just to keep up hence why so many clubs are struggling with debt....and never mind the extortionate ticket pricing fans were expected to pay. I find it unacceptable that even when playing in front of empty stands due to the pandemic footballers are still being paid vast salaries and I'm not personally prepared to endorse the game at that level.

It’s for that reason that I thought the Super League a good idea, as long as the clubs were banned from their domestic premier leagues.

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16 minutes ago, DC2 said:

It’s for that reason that I thought the Super League a good idea, as long as the clubs were banned from their domestic premier leagues.

I would agree in principle but it would prove interesting if/when the proposed "Super League" ran into difficulties they would come running back begging to be included within the domestic programme and at what cost?

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25 minutes ago, DC2 said:

It’s for that reason that I thought the Super League a good idea, as long as the clubs were banned from their domestic premier leagues.

I'm not much interested in EPL football, so if a handful of rich clubs want to go off in the expectation of becoming even richer, I have no problem with that. A handful of clubs distort competition and economics in all of the top leagues, and the English leagues would be far more sustainable if the top few English teams went off and played in Europe. Same with Celtic (and cough Rangers) in Scotland, although neither of them are good enough to be included in a European League. 

All I'd say is that a European League should be merit based so there are pathways for teams to move up (and down). Man City were hopeless for years until they hit the Middle East jackpot, and when was the last time Spurs won anything important (or indeed anything)? :D

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1 minute ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

I'm not much interested in EPL football, so if a handful of rich clubs want to go off in the expectation of becoming even richer, I have no problem with that. A handful of clubs distort competition and economics in all of the top leagues, and the English leagues would be far more sustainable if the top few English teams went off and played in Europe. Same with Celtic (and cough Rangers) in Scotland, although neither of them are good enough to be included in a European League. 

All I'd say is that a European League should be merit based so there are pathways for teams to move up (and down). Man City were hopeless for years until they hit the Middle East jackpot, and when was the last time Spurs won anything important (or indeed anything)? :D

Merit based v money based, that’s the existing problem that the Super League might solve.

I see no need at all for it to involve promotion and relegation.  It would be a financial elite and they’re welcome to it.

It would be madness for the likes of Southampton, Burnley or Norwich to win the PL and be promoted to it only to be relegated and have to continue financing the ridiculous salaries of elite players.

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13 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

I would agree in principle but it would prove interesting if/when the proposed "Super League" ran into difficulties they would come running back begging to be included within the domestic programme and at what cost?

I think that would be unlikely to happen. The UEFA Champions League alone generates well over a billion pounds in revenue each year, and the top teams in the top leagues would also bring much of their domestic revenue with them.

I think it's more likely that the rump EPL would run into difficulties if it was shorn of its biggest teams, and would significantly have to reduce its expectations. In reality, some sort of merger with the EFL Championship with a knock-on effect down the leagues.

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22 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

I would agree in principle but it would prove interesting if/when the proposed "Super League" ran into difficulties they would come running back begging to be included within the domestic programme and at what cost?

They’d have to do what Rangers did in Scotland and start from the bottom, observing the salary caps of the lower divisions.

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Just now, DC2 said:

It would be madness for the likes of Southampton, Burnley or Norwich to win the PL and be promoted to it only to be relegated and have to continue financing the ridiculous salaries of elite players.

They'd never be in the running. Even if they happened to win the EPL, they'd be competing with larger teams in other countries for a few promotion places. 

It's the likes of the Everton's and cough... Newcastle's that have the potential to be big enough to sustain the level of competition, just as Man City have periodically languished in the lower leagues until fairly recent times. The same for the Celtic and Rangers, plus over in Europe the likes of Ajax, PSG and Marseille. 

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5 hours ago, steve roberts said:

I gave up on professional football years ago when big money was being circulated and ridiculous transfer fees and salaries were being paid. The game became elitist and those not within that group (owned by rich foreign 'fat cats') were having to pay money they didn't have just to keep up hence why so many clubs are struggling with debt....and never mind the extortionate ticket pricing fans were expected to pay. I find it unacceptable that even when playing in front of empty stands due to the pandemic footballers are still being paid vast salaries and I'm not personally prepared to endorse the game at that level.

I just watch semi-pro football now, Cirencester Town, good lads, many ex-Swindon, Cheltenham, Forest Green, being paid 50-100 quid per game, with good jobs elsewhere. Friendly clubhouse, with their own brand of beer. Skilful football on 4G pitch:cheers:

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6 minutes ago, DC2 said:

They’d have to do what Rangers did in Scotland and start from the bottom, observing the salary caps of the lower divisions.

The bottom in England is Step 6 at a minimum, which would mean the likes of the South Midland, North-West Counties, and Combined Counties Leagues. :D

Would be interesting what would have happened to Rangers now, given that the 'bottom' is nowadays something like the West of Scotland League... 

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