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1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Oh, boo-hoo. She's not the only only 'under-privileged' person who's 'made it', yet others don't feel the need to bully their colleagues to achieve it 

You'd also have thought that as the daughter of refugees, she'd at least have some empathy with others in a similar situation, yet wants to pull-up the drawbridge behind her. Toxic individual who'll be out of the Cabinet soon anyway. 

You're living in the past. That sort of behaviour isn't acceptable in workplace nowadays and has nothing to do with snowflakery, even if might still be practiced in Pinegen Towers... :D

Been reported tonight that she may well be "axed" during the next Cabinet re-shuffle.

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1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Oh, boo-hoo. She's not the only only 'under-privileged' person who's 'made it', yet others don't feel the need to bully their colleagues to achieve it 

You'd also have thought that as the daughter of refugees, she'd at least have some empathy with others in a similar situation, yet wants to pull-up the drawbridge behind her. Toxic individual who'll be out of the Cabinet soon anyway. 

You're living in the past. That sort of behaviour isn't acceptable in workplace nowadays and has nothing to do with snowflakery, even if might still be practiced in Pinegen Towers... :D

Absolutely.

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7 hours ago, Vince said:

Senior civil servants appear to have been free to do their own thing regardless of what the people who pay their wages think for far too long and if Ms Patel ends up being the one to force the changes then more power to her elbow in my opinion.

 

 

2 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

How do you know how it actually is?

My opinion was formed the same way as most other people who aren't in the civil service, from fairly irregular dealings with parts of the civil service but mostly from various media sources over the course of decades, hence the use of the word 'appear'. We also see the end results of the civil service and their pay and conditions are not too difficult to find out and how often do senior civil servants lose their jobs despite their departments proving to have been wrong or inefficient?  Often a Minister who has had very little input or had their input ignored ends up having to resign while the civil servants carry on as normal until they collect their gold plated pension. We can also see how many senior civil servants come from the same walks of life, schools and colleges ensuring that the boat rarely gets even mildly rocked.

I'm pretty sure you'll think you know better because you use some much more accurate but highly secret sources of information though.

 

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1 hour ago, Vince said:

My opinion was formed the same way as most other people who aren't in the civil service, from fairly irregular dealings with parts of the civil service but mostly from various media sources over the course of decades, hence the use of the word 'appear'. We also see the end results of the civil service and their pay and conditions are not too difficult to find out and how often do senior civil servants lose their jobs despite their departments proving to have been wrong or inefficient?  Often a Minister who has had very little input or had their input ignored ends up having to resign while the civil servants carry on as normal until they collect their gold plated pension. We can also see how many senior civil servants come from the same walks of life, schools and colleges ensuring that the boat rarely gets even mildly rocked.

I'm pretty sure you'll think you know better because you use some much more accurate but highly secret sources of information though.

I do think I know better because a) I've worked for the civil service, and b) I've met a number of ministers in a professional capacity. No highly secret sources of information at all, although you're now falling into the usual alt-right thing of denying any inconvenient information that's related to you... :rolleyes:

On balance I'd place the majority of ministers in either the 'idiot' category, or at the very least 'doesn't grasp the facts' category. Civil servants are generally better informed and competent because that's the job they do every day, and are probably far more realistic about what's possible given the resources and timescales at their disposal.

There are undoubtedly lazy and incompetent civil servants, although I doubt many actually reach the senior levels any more than in any other walk of life. However, there's plenty of incompetent ministers who generally know little to nothing about the portfolios to which they're assigned, who are ultimately supposed to be in charge of the departments they manage. 

It's just an easy excuse to go around blaming civil servants for the failings of poor government. 

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3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

And, if you actually lived here right now, you would know that feelings about illegal immigration is high on the agenda of a large percentage of the population and not restricted to Tory voters. On the contrary.

I do live 'here' right now, and like so many right wingers you're conflating illegal immigration (which few approve of) with asylum seekers and legal immigration.

Priti Patel's parents were essentially legitimate asylum seekers when they were expelled from Uganda by the lunatic racist Idi Admin.

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FROM the always excellent Allison Pearson in the DT ...

I haven’t spoken to a single person who believes the Home Secretary’s conduct was “bullying”. Outside bien pensant circles and TV studios, people seem to think it’s far more likely she came up against a bunch of white male snobs who seemed averse to actual work and accountability. “Wish they’d leave her to carry out her deportations in peace,” sighed one farmer. (That has to be my favourite remark of the week, if not the year.)

It does beggar belief that a woman who is barely more than 5ft tall managed to terrorise all those 6ft 3in public school mandarins. “Is this Boudica Sir Alex Allan is describing?” asked one entrepreneur who emailed me. “I don’t think so. Just a woman trying to do her job amongst a bunch of white mice who have not been up to pace for a very long time.”

What the scandal reveals is that the term bullying has been stretched like silly putty until it has come to mean: “Someone said something to me which I didn’t much like.” For those of us who entered the world of work when a flying typewriter aimed at your right ear was considered a perfectly acceptable rebuke for a rookie error, such snowflakery seems utterly pathetic and actually rather sad. A colleague recalls the editor of a provincial paper standing on a chair and yelling at the assembled newsroom: “If I asked reception to be put through to ‘w-----’, all your phones would ring.” Ah, happy days!  

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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:

FROM the always excellent Allison Pearson in the DT ...

I haven’t spoken to a single person who believes the Home Secretary’s conduct was “bullying”. Outside bien pensant circles and TV studios, people seem to think it’s far more likely she came up against a bunch of white male snobs who seemed averse to actual work and accountability. “Wish they’d leave her to carry out her deportations in peace,” sighed one farmer. (That has to be my favourite remark of the week, if not the year.)

It does beggar belief that a woman who is barely more than 5ft tall managed to terrorise all those 6ft 3in public school mandarins. “Is this Boudica Sir Alex Allan is describing?” asked one entrepreneur who emailed me. “I don’t think so. Just a woman trying to do her job amongst a bunch of white mice who have not been up to pace for a very long time.”

What the scandal reveals is that the term bullying has been stretched like silly putty until it has come to mean: “Someone said something to me which I didn’t much like.” For those of us who entered the world of work when a flying typewriter aimed at your right ear was considered a perfectly acceptable rebuke for a rookie error, such snowflakery seems utterly pathetic and actually rather sad. A colleague recalls the editor of a provincial paper standing on a chair and yelling at the assembled newsroom: “If I asked reception to be put through to ‘w-----’, all your phones would ring.” Ah, happy days!  

In my experience it's often those lacking in inches are the ones you need to look out for.

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16 hours ago, steve roberts said:

In my experience it's often those lacking in inches are the ones you need to look out for.

We must have a lot of pygmies on the BSF...:party:

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FROM the DT ... no wonder she gets frustrated

Priti Patel on Friday night hit back at attempts by 82 black public figures to halt the deportation of up to 50 Jamaican criminals next week, saying she was "unapologetic" about removing people who posed a risk to the public. The 82, including Naomi Campbell, the historian David Olusoga and actors Naomie Harris and Thandie Newton, have written to airlines urging them not to carry the Jamaicans the Home Office wants to deport. They claimed that if next week's and other similar flights went ahead there was a risk of the unlawful removal of people who have the right to remain in the UK.

However, Ms Patel's department issued a breakdown of the 50 Jamaicans' criminal records, which comprised a combined total prison sentence length of 294 years including two life sentences counted as 20 years each. The 50, whose offences included murder, rape drug dealing, child sex, grievous bodily harm, firearms possession, importing drugs, manslaughter and attempted murder, had an average sentence length of eight years and two months.

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150.000 records apparently 'lost' from Police Records reported this morning...statement from Home Secretary required in an attempt to reassure the public?

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Losing any key records just smacks of sheer incompetence. If they are computer/data then where are the back-ups? I doubt those responsible will suffer any real 'admonishment' though.

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6 hours ago, TonyE said:

Losing any key records just smacks of sheer incompetence. If they are computer/data then where are the back-ups? I doubt those responsible will suffer any real 'admonishment' though.

Precisely. There must surely be back ups. Any serious and sensible organisation would keep continuous back ups, wouldn't they? If not, I would imagine Priti Patel will be looking for blood and quite right too  

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Just now, ancient mariner said:

Precisely. There must surely be back ups. Any serious and sensible organisation would keep continuous back ups, wouldn't they? If not, I would imagine Priti Patel will be looking for blood and quite right too  

...well I'm still waiting for a statement from Patel?

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1 hour ago, ancient mariner said:

Precisely. There must surely be back ups. Any serious and sensible organisation would keep continuous back ups, wouldn't they? If not, I would imagine Priti Patel will be looking for blood and quite right too  

Sounds like there was a routine purge of old or no longer relevant records and someone screwed it up. 

Not quite sure why arrest records should be retained if people weren't charged with a crime anyway, but one suspects there's somewhat more to this than what's being said publicly.

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9 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

one suspects there's somewhat more to this than what's being said publicly.

Your specialised subject on Mastermind - the bleedin' obvious! :rolleyes:

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