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5 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

Haha agreed but that ain't gonna happen now it will stay at 41...

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THJ

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Was Stewart Dickson speaking as a knee-jerk reaction to his problems with Ellis Perks at Leicester, or was he speaking as a Director of BSP Ltd?

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2 hours ago, Hamish McRaker said:

Was Stewart Dickson speaking as a knee-jerk reaction to his problems with Ellis Perks at Leicester, or was he speaking as a Director of BSP Ltd?

He was thinking self interest as usual with BSPA.

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Herein lies the problem. 2021 isn’t 2020, the world has changed. Everyone has had to adapt their way of living. You can’t even go to the shops now without wearing a mask, a minor detail but it would have seemed alien just 12 months ago. 

Yet Speedway in Britain seems to have taken the, “we’ll just carry on with what we were planning for 2020,” approach. Self-interest of some who are too stubborn to have to do a bit of work team building to a new limit will cost other clubs. But ultimately these kinds of issues can kill off the clubs that were already struggling and are asking for a lower points limit so they can cut their cloth accordingly. Then the stubborn club will die too because they won’t have anyone to race against.

Self-interest is the cancer that will kill British Speedway.

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do riders get an average reduction when out of the sport for a year?

if so, just apply across the board except for those that rode in Poland, and the figures may suit those that want it lowered

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47 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

Herein lies the problem. 2021 isn’t 2020, the world has changed. Everyone has had to adapt their way of living. You can’t even go to the shops now without wearing a mask, a minor detail but it would have seemed alien just 12 months ago. 

Yet Speedway in Britain seems to have taken the, “we’ll just carry on with what we were planning for 2020,” approach. Self-interest of some who are too stubborn to have to do a bit of work team building to a new limit will cost other clubs. But ultimately these kinds of issues can kill off the clubs that were already struggling and are asking for a lower points limit so they can cut their cloth accordingly. Then the stubborn club will die too because they won’t have anyone to race against.

Self-interest is the cancer that will kill British Speedway.

A lower limit would suit Brummies. 

Don't want Championship dumbed down to NDL level though. 

Can't see problem with 41 point limit. 

Read what Glasgow and Somerset have said in today's Speedway Star. 

How would you fancy ringing up a Rider and telling him he's sacked and you want his suit and signing on fee back due to reduced points limit. 

Higher the limit better the quality. 

Don't see any signs of any Championship Clubs dropping out, quite opposite. 

Championship is thriving. 

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3 minutes ago, HGould said:

A lower limit would suit Brummies. 

Don't want Championship dumbed down to NDL level though. 

Can't see problem with 41 point limit. 

Read what Glasgow and Somerset have said in today's Speedway Star. 

How would you fancy ringing up a Rider and telling him he's sacked and you want his suit and signing on fee back due to reduced points limit. 

Higher the limit better the quality. 

Don't see any signs of any Championship Clubs dropping out, quite opposite. 

Championship is thriving. 

I agree about 41point limit.There Will be some Teams stronger than others,but that’s happened in the past it’s the entertainment factor that matters.Dropping riders to suit points limit is not the way forward.

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14 minutes ago, HGould said:

A lower limit would suit Brummies. 

Don't want Championship dumbed down to NDL level though. 

Can't see problem with 41 point limit. 

Read what Glasgow and Somerset have said in today's Speedway Star. 

How would you fancy ringing up a Rider and telling him he's sacked and you want his suit and signing on fee back due to reduced points limit. 

Higher the limit better the quality. 

Don't see any signs of any Championship Clubs dropping out, quite opposite. 

Championship is thriving. 

People have been losing their jobs all year because of the virus. Why should a Speedway rider be any different? 

If the club paid for the suit they should be given it back perhaps but what good is a bespoke suit made for a rider and covered in his sponsors. While race suits aren’t cheap if my club was in that bad a position that they had to ask for them back then I’d be concerned.

As for a signing on fee, that is down to the club and the agreement in the rider’s contract about the conditions of it being paid. 

Thriving and Speedway don’t go together. Sadly they haven’t for a long time. 

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You can see a split developing within the Championship, in fact it's probably already there!

How about a bit of good old compromise?

Keep the 41 point limit to begin with. 

But for team changes once the season is underway, bring in additional restrictions which become tighter, the higher the rider being replaced's average is. However, if a club has an aggregate team average below a defined level, give exemption from that restriction.

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Instead of lowering the team point limit, why not open up the premier/championship conversion allowance. It may enable a better rider to double down to get all teams out of a hole. Would also maybe strengthen the championship in the process

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12 hours ago, Biffa said:

Instead of lowering the team point limit, why not open up the premier/championship conversion allowance. It may enable a better rider to double down to get all teams out of a hole. Would also maybe strengthen the championship in the process

Which is exactly what they were trying to avoid by reducing doubling up/ Down!

Do you not remember Scott Nicholls threatening court action ?

There is supposed to be a deliberate difference in standards between the Premiership and Championship, wether we actually can see it or not.

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8 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Which is exactly what they were trying to avoid by reducing doubling up/ Down!

Do you not remember Scott Nicholls threatening court action ?

There is supposed to be a deliberate difference in standards between the Premiership and Championship, wether we actually can see it or not.

Very difficult to get a deliberate difference in the Standards of the leagues these days,not enough Top Men and can’t see that changing in the near future.

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9 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Which is exactly what they were trying to avoid by reducing doubling up/ Down!

Do you not remember Scott Nicholls threatening court action ?

There is supposed to be a deliberate difference in standards between the Premiership and Championship, wether we actually can see it or not.

What is the problem with doubling up and doubling down? The teams in the Premiership and Chanpionship never race eachother and they no longer ride on the same nights to create a clash of fixtures, so what’s the problem? The only thing it does is create a solution to potential rider shortage and fill up the quota of riders needed across both leagues.

The problem is the guest rule - where you have one rider ride for several teams within a week before then riding against them for his actual team at the weekend. That is madness and should be limited and/or stopped. I’m a strong believer in that guests shouldn’t be allowed full stop if only one rider is missing. In which case rider replacement should be used. If two or more riders are missing then a guest should be allowed, but only on the value of their home or away average depending on whether they are at home or away. I remember back in 2008 at Somerset when we had guests like Craig Watson replacing Simon Walker away from home because of his inflated home average, when he was pretty useless away. A guest replacement should never make a team stronger. There has to be some sort of limit imposed either on the rider, the team or over a time period restricting how many times they can be used in my opinion.

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20 minutes ago, Najjer said:

What is the problem with doubling up and doubling down? The teams in the Premiership and Chanpionship never race eachother and they no longer ride on the same nights to create a clash of fixtures, so what’s the problem? The only thing it does is create a solution to potential rider shortage and fill up the quota of riders needed across both leagues.

No problem at all. It adds to the 'Micky Mouse' status of modern day speedway.

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14 minutes ago, JohnHyam said:

No problem at all. It adds to the 'Micky Mouse' status of modern day speedway.

And in your day, some English bloke being promoted as a Russian called Baranov wasn't mickey mouse or others riding under aliases ?

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