Bagpuss 10,781 Posted September 12, 2021 With only three Prem riders not in the Champ I can't really get my head round how it can be much more costly to ride in unless better riders are going to flock back next year. If it was much cheaper then admission prices would surely be much different between the leagues? 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Poole moved down because they would save quite a bit of money though so there must be quite a difference financially. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,032 Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: With only three Prem riders not in the Champ I can't really get my head round how it can be much more costly to ride in unless better riders are going to flock back next year. If it was much cheaper then admission prices would surely be much different between the leagues? @Skidder1 can correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember a 30% decrease being banded around. It was the main reason Poole moved down along with the Weds night race nights. Although I guess it depends on what sort of pay riders like Stevie Worrall and Danny King are on too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,781 Posted September 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: @Skidder1 can correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember a 30% decrease being banded around. It was the main reason Poole moved down along with the Weds night race nights. Although I guess it depends on what sort of pay riders like Stevie Worrall and Danny King are on too. I wouldn't mind betting the top riders on the Champ are on similar money in both leagues. The race night thing is big for clubs who have always ridden on a particular evening I guess but with so much doubling up its essential that rave nights are kept separate. It's also worth bearing in mind that several riders who were supposed to have raced here in 2020 didn't in 2021 ie Pedersen, Iversen, Klindt, Bjerre and their absence will have pushed costs down a bit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldyman 6,243 Posted September 12, 2021 As for Ipswich,, I want to see some new riders, or at least one,,, for eg, Mads Hansen or Francis Gusts,,, someone new and young that already performs to a decent level. I don't want to see the already tried and failed riders we will probably end up with yet again. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, lisa-colette said: @Skidder1 can correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember a 30% decrease being banded around. It was the main reason Poole moved down along with the Weds night race nights. Although I guess it depends on what sort of pay riders like Stevie Worrall and Danny King are on too. Obviously each club has a different cost base compared to other clubs, depending on all sorts of factors. Its not just about rider wages! The difference that I was told about (bearing in mind this is just one specific club) was that costs were one third less to race in the Championship than in the Premiership - both are 5-figure sums per week/meeting! From my own knowledge, if a rider is riding in both leagues then the pay rates are very different! Presumably because riders will strive to get what makes it pay for them in total - including the assurance of getting paid EVERY week! - so once they have a Premiership contract 'buttoned up' they will happily accept a reduced rate of pay in the Championship. Of course there may also be other rider bonus incentives in both leagues, eg reaching the play-offs/winning the league/Cup etc which will tend to benefit the more successful clubs due to increased attendance income, as well as the riders - both of whom may benefit from additional sponsorship funding?! Edited September 13, 2021 by Skidder1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badge 5,125 Posted September 15, 2021 Chris Louis talking to Mike bacon https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/louis-on-the-witches-8323122?s=09 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flappy 1,605 Posted September 15, 2021 How long have panthers not had a number 1 for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,643 Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Flappy said: How long have panthers not had a number 1 for? One could argue - all season. But they seem to have done very well with six third heat-leaders and a rising star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flappy 1,605 Posted September 15, 2021 So maybe just maybe team building was wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old bob at herne bay 828 Posted September 15, 2021 Pretty poor RACE track didn’t help ippo .. home riders lose confidence … away riders just take it as they find it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,255 Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Flappy said: So maybe just maybe team building was wrong? To be fair, the team building included Klindt (an Ipswich track specialist) at 1 until he dropped out on the eve of the season. We lost numerous meetings by only a handful of points, especially at home, when Crump or a guest scored only a few points. That makes all the difference in the world. Of course we’ll never fully know 100%, but if we’d had Klindt at 1 as originally planned, we’d almost certainly have far more points on the board than we currently have. I also accept the point about Panthers doing brilliantly without a recognised number 1. But it’s pretty much a rare occurrence that this happens. Look at all the league winners over the years, and 99% of them have had good solid number 1’s. Edited September 15, 2021 by Arch Stanton 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,032 Posted September 15, 2021 Wasn't it Ipswich who were trying to sign Chris Holder but couldn't get his visa done quickly enough?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,255 Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Wasn't it Ipswich who were trying to sign Chris Holder but couldn't get his visa done quickly enough?! Yes, but that was last year, not this. Edit: It was actually the 2019 season, not the season that never was last year. Edited September 15, 2021 by Arch Stanton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Wasn't it Ipswich who were trying to sign Chris Holder but couldn't get his visa done quickly enough?! Things could've been worse then...... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted September 15, 2021 49 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Things could've been worse then...... Always next year...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites