waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I posted this on the wildcards thread, but thought i’d put it on its own thread. Basically I assessed riders performance in the following events, which were weighted in order of importance: SGP League performances across Elite League and Swedish and Polish top flight. Includes all matches up to EL final (not included) SWC/SEC (equally weighted) Gp qualifiers/under 21 world champs (equally weighted) Performances in the competitions were weighted depenent on the difficulty of the completion (difficulty ascertained by comparing the result of the top 15-20 riders in that competition compared to how they performed others). The top 30 riders of 2013 emerged to be (I’ve attached their “weighted average” not because the figure has any real meaning, but to show how close(or otherwise) riders were) 1 Jaroslaw Hampel 10.89 2 Tai Woffinden 10.62 3 Emil Sayfutdinov 10.37 4 Niels K Iversen 10.36 5 Darcy Ward 9.98 6 Chris Holder 9.65 7 Nicki Pedersen 9.43 8 Greg Hancock 9.15 9 Grigorij Laguta 8.61 10 Tomasz Gollob 8.32 11 Adrian Miedzinski 8.12 12 Kenneth Bjerre 8.00 13 Matej Zagar 7.99 14 Piotr Protasiewicz 7.87 15 Patryk Dudek 7.75 16 Maciej Janowski 7.73 17 Michael Jepsen Jepsen 7.63 18 Krzysztof Kasprzak 7.50 19 Artem Laguta 7.46 20 Grzegorz WALASEK 7.45 21 Janusz KOŁODZIEJ 7.44 22 Troy Batchelor 7.41 23 Piotr PAWLICKI 7.39 24 Hans Andersen 7.18 25 Martin Smolinski 7.12 26 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 6.95 27 Peter Karlsson 6.89 28 Danny King 6.86 29 Fredrik Lindgren 6.63 30 Krzysztof BUCZKOWSKI 6.57 While the list ties reasonably closely to what in tuition would suggest it should, a few key points to note. Hampel emerges as top rider ahead of Woffinden, as a result of performances in SWC and league matches. This doens’t mean that Woffinden wasn’t a deserving World champ, and obviously a stats based approach doesn’t reflect the injury cloud woffinden was riding under No other real surprises in the top10-15, confirms the thoughts of many that Holder, Gollob and Laguta are the three most deserving wild card picks. If selected along with a swede, would mean all of the Worlds top 10 from this year, and 12 out of top 15, will be in next seasons GP Peter Karlsson the top swede ahead of Lindgren, though not much between the top Swedes. THJ not in the top 50. Miedzinski's victory in Torun boosts hime from just outside the top 20 to 11th overall. Danny King , by avoiding being picked for SWC scrapes into the top 30. Nicholls is the only other Brit in the top 50. Vaculik’s SEC championship win not enough to even elevate him to the top 40 riders, his mediocre league form and poor GP performances dragging down his “average.” Appreciate peoples thought on whther the above ties reasonably closely to who they would perceive the worlds top riders to be. Edited October 15, 2013 by waihekeaces1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,062 Posted October 8, 2013 Really well compiled list pretty much what you would expect. Pretty worrying from a British point of view though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,067 Posted October 12, 2013 Thj not in the top 50! yet there are still some on this forum who think he deserves a wild card lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,945 Posted October 12, 2013 Thj not in the top 50! yet there are still some on this forum who think he deserves a wild card lol THJ rides for Gdansk in the 2nd Polish division.. He's top of the averages in that league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,062 Posted October 12, 2013 Steve Boxall is top of NL averages should he grt one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,067 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) THJ rides for Gdansk in the 2nd Polish division.. He's top of the averages in that league. second division in Poland second string in a substandard elite league. based on this rationale then Ben Barker and Lewis Bridger must be in line for one. continual tripe coming from out of your mouth yet again! Edited October 12, 2013 by Gavan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iand 136 Posted October 12, 2013 Steve Boxall is top of NL averages should he grt one Course not. His only 5th in the averages. Lewis Blackbird top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,945 Posted October 12, 2013 second division in Poland second string in a substandard elite league. based on this rationale then Ben Barker and Lewis Bridger must be in line for one. continual tripe coming from out of your mouth yet again! LOL! Ben Barker doesn't ride in the Polish division and Bridger's rides in the 3rd/4th division. http://www.zuzelend.com/statystyki-1-liga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave69 1,534 Posted October 12, 2013 WHY NO NICK MALLETT ? sorry for shouting . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Id say it's pretty spot on, this kind of thing will always have anomalies and it'll always be difficult to fully work out as how do you decide weightings for each league/competition? As lets be honest, a heat 15 in an EL meeting is harder than if you're riding at number 4 and don't get a heat 15 and I'm sure the Polish/Swedish league have a similar anomaly. Still interesting. My biggest shock is Zagar is so low, did well in the GPs, did well for BV. I assume he was a bit rubbish elsewhere? Edited October 14, 2013 by SCB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,945 Posted October 14, 2013 Id say it's pretty spot on, this kind of thing will always have anomalies and it'll always be difficult to fully work out as how do you decide weightings for each league/competition? As lets be honest, a heat 15 in an EL meeting is harder than if you're riding at number 4 and don't get a heat 15 and I'm sure the Polish/Swedish league have a similar anomaly. Still interesting. My biggest shock is Zagar is so low, did well in the GPs, did well for BV. I assume he was a bit rubbish elsewhere? His Polish team were crap and they weren't paying him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
500cc 309 Posted October 15, 2013 Really well compiled list pretty much what you would expect. Pretty worrying from a British point of view though Although from an Elite League standpoint its interesting. More than half of the top 30 rode in the UK this year and two thirds in the last two seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 15, 2013 THJ rides for Gdansk in the 2nd Polish division.. He's top of the averages in that league. If I get time I’ll update to reflect Polish first division performances, though don’t think it will result in major changes – THJ I imagine would move into the top 50, Danny King probably drop out of top 30. I’ll also try to reflect performances in national individual championships as well, though prob just for the major nations (Denmark, Sweden, England, Poland). Id say it's pretty spot on, this kind of thing will always have anomalies and it'll always be difficult to fully work out as how do you decide weightings for each league/competition? As lets be honest, a heat 15 in an EL meeting is harder than if you're riding at number 4 and don't get a heat 15 and I'm sure the Polish/Swedish league have a similar anomaly. Still interesting. Absolutely agreed. I’m reasonably happy with the basic weighting I did, but it was also done within the constraints of limited time. Obviously some competitions are tougher for top riders to score in but easier for weaker riders (SWC is an example). Similarly EL the ideal weighting system would have reflected the number of heat 15 riders a rider took, and also number of heat 2s. If this information was readily available I could have reflected it in the rankings, but as it is I spent enough time on the EL as the lazy bugger who hosts the only site (that I am aware of) that contains the EL averages for current year stopped updating it in July, so I had to manually calculate the rest of the season. Consequently riders who were in the top two of their team in the EL are probably slightly disadvantaged, those such as Smolinski/Hougarrd who had spells at reserve are favoured. That said, I don’t think adjusting for this this would have made any major changes to the top 30. My biggest shock is Zagar is so low, did well in the GPs, did well for BV. I assume he was a bit rubbish elsewhere? His Polish team were crap and they weren't paying him. On the contrary, Zagar’s performance in Poland actually was better than his performance in the EL (when weighted). It was his poor performance in Sweden (where he averaged only 6.4) that really brought down his score. I too was a little surprised at Zagar’s ranking, hich is lower than one would intuitively expect, but a quick look at those who leapfrogged him from his GP position of 7th. Holder and Ward clearly no surprise, and G Laguta as the best rider outside the series is probably no surprise to see higher either. ( 6th best performer in the leagues and runner up in SEC ) Gollob ranked fractionally behind Zagar in the GPs, but Zagar’s poor Swedish performance saw Gollob achieve a slightly higher league “score” and his performances in Sec further boosted his score. Miedzinski league rating was also a little higher than Zagar , and his one win from one attempt in GPs saw him have a fractionally higher GP score also. Bjerre was probably the big surprise, but his SWC performance earned him a high rating, as did his SGP Challenge performance (had Zagar ridden in the Challenge final and scored well he would have ranked higher than Bjerre). Depending on the assumptions used in the ranking system, Zagar could have easily rated above the latter three under a different system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 5, 2013 Final list for the 2013 season, reflects the final EL meetings (inc ELRC), and also added the major national indivdual championships (Poland, England, Sweden, Australia, Denmark). No major changes to the above list, though NKI overtakes Emil and Janusz jumps a number of places due to his peformance in the Polish final. Andreas Jonsson ranked 35th, Chris Harris 36th. 1 Jaroslaw Hampel 10.73 2 Tai Woffinden 10.73 3 Niels K Iversen 10.43 4 Emil Sayfutdinon 10.36 5 Darcy Ward 10.09 6 Chris Holder 9.65 7 Nicki Pedersen 9.43 8 Greg Hancock 9.22 9 Grigorij Laguta 8.62 10 Adrian Miedzinski 8.33 11 Tomasz Gollob 8.31 12 Janusz KOŁODZIEJ 8.20 13 Matej Zagar 7.97 14 Patryk Dudek 7.95 15 Kenneth Bjerre 7.90 16 Piotr Protasiewicz 7.86 17 Maciej Janowski 7.63 18 Michael Jepsen Jepsen 7.56 19 Krzysztof Kasprzak 7.55 20 Grzegorz WALASEK 7.48 21 Artem Laguta 7.46 22 Troy Batchelor 7.44 23 Piotr PAWLICKI 7.28 24 Hans Andersen 7.20 25 Martin Smolinski 7.09 26 Peter Karlsson 6.89 27 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 6.81 28 Danny King 6.76 29 Fredrik Lindgren 6.65 30 Alexander LOKTAEV 6.51 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PolskiZuzel 329 Posted November 6, 2013 THJ rides for Gdansk in the 2nd Polish division.. He's top of the averages in that league. Gdansk, at the end of this season (2013) won Polish League ONE and as a result gained promotion to the Polish top flight division, i.e. Polish Speedway ExtraLeague Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
