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Sorry Skidder you are so correct. I had a blonde moment but I had factored all 3 on the 2.5% reduction. Also took into a/c for our number 5 who also British (let's be honest near enough everyone knows now who he is). I also know who the 4 point (or 3.96) reserve is (no reduction due to nationality)depending on which stats are correct . There was a rumour that we were close to signing an exciting young World U21 talent and then another rumour that we may even have a better one lined up instead due to circumstances. However if the rider you now refer to is the same one that THJ has openly broken cover on via the Newcastle Forum today then that will be a poor replacement for the one I was hoping we would sign. Where Matt would get such an idea from God only knows as said rider didnt ride UK or POL in 2019 - wasn't that great in 2018 and last season in his home Country his scores were dire to say the least and seemingly was dropped from several meetings of what is a restricted league in regards to the volume of league meetings anyway. He also only rates still as a "D" class rider (below the A/B/C classes) which almost into his mid twenties I would see that as a very weak link in our team if we are that desperate. Also said rider has been pretty poor in the odd Aussie meeting he has done too date and I will be shocked if any improvement in his remaining tour meetings. But despite all those stats open to anyone willing to dig thru the various speedway sites would he really be seen as a progressive rider better than some of the World U21 maybe available (or maybe none of them are at what Poole are offering)?? Maybe I have missed something as a certain rider from same Country last year defied us all by upping both his Champ and Prem scores by lots which surprised some as of a similar kind of age. A rider I might add that a good few of us thought we had secured for 2018 only to be given the news that another of his inferior same Nationality mates had joined us. One that didnt see season end with us.

So Skidder you said on the Newcastle Forum that we only have to sign one rider with the others secured to be announced. Only the one ?? (or is it 2 still unresolved) and is your understanding if that is a reserve or main team spot still open. Many seem to know 5 of the riders, its the last 2 which is causing plenty of head scratching plus after those 5 do we have 8.97 left or just over 9 depending on which SGB stats are correct. Without naming names we have 3 of our riders (1 announced so far) where the Stats page show them below what the final GSA sheet states and I cannot get answers as to why, if the guy who does the SGB rolling stats shows a lower GSA than the final sheet then how come when its his stats used for the final GSA's in the first place ?? Reason this being important is if you sign a 5 rider you have 4 points left (if balance is 9) which is important as you can sign still a promising overseas young rider where if it is only 8.97 you fall agonisingly short forcing you into a N/L rider or very low Champ rider and most of the decent ones are gone.

Interesting little question from Ragdoll on the Glasgow thread. Hypothetical question......If Nicolai Klindt was to change his mind and ride in the Championship this year, what average would he come in on? Would it be a conversion of this year’s Premiership average of 7.43......or his 2018 Championship average which was 6.94? Anyone know the answer ???

Now we can start the name the team (to the new 41 point limit) and stop having to jump Forum between the Poole SGB Prem & Champ. Hopefully various teams will now start the trickle out of team news now the new limit is known. One thing I am not 100% on is do UK riders get a 2.5% or 5% reduction for the new season on their current GSA Or is it only a reduction (and at what %) if the rode in N/L in last few seasons. Hopefully someone will clarify as it helps in guessing who may/may not be coming in.

Ok Guys & Girls time to close this one down as SGB just confirmed summary of the AGM and we are now officially in Champ. We are no longer a Prem club so this should be shut down :-(

You are probably correct. He concentrates on maximising scores on the track, but may well be a good team man in the pits and with younger riders. As a Poole supporter I would love to have seen him riding for us in recent years, as we kind of brought him through in his earlier career and didn't benefit from what we have seen over the last 6 or so years. Was always an excellent gater but got overtaken too often. It's like a new rider suddenly awoke and he is now one hell of an aggresive (but fair) rider who is not the kind of guy to be messed with. How I wish we had seen that when he was say 23/26 years old. Indeed a late developer and a standard bearer for any young rider that you should never give up. We are sometimes to quick to write off riders who don't quickly turn into World class riders after they hit 25 but this guy is a shining light that you can develop into World Class if you have the mental strength to do it. He has proved that it can be done and gives hope to many. You could argue similar with Madsen when at Poole, who again was a good gater but displayed similar traits in his early 20's to Doyle in being overtaken too often. Look how he developed in POL and on the World stage.

Jason is becoming similar to what the likes of NKI/Hans Anderson did for years AT a similar stage i.e ride 4 leagues for a lot of the weeks of the season plus ride/rode in their local Champ as well as SEC/SGP qualifiers and team events. Jason also no longer needs to go to Aussie to qualify for SGP while he stays in that top 8 and even if he missed out one season I think he would get at least one year as a Wildcard having been WC in 2017. Doyle is now 34 and in the area where he will want to maximise his earnings over the next 5/10 years while he is still in reasonably top form. Considering he also lives in UK with his Wife is another good reason to keep UK going. Plus as many would agree Doyle rides for himself as arguably not a real team rider. But some would say what the hell as long as he bangs in such high scores every week and has decent team members around him who don't need so much protection. Maybe if his POL and SGP Form was to suffer he would maybe consider reviewing it.

Mast admit I am also struggling how this alleged 25% saving will make such a difference. Maybe there are other factors involved. Such as perhaps he feels that a top 3 out of either Holders/Kurtz & Klindt are not going to bring him another Prem bearing in mind how fortunate they were with the Gods shining on them in 2018. This year the squad were not good enough when it mattered (even though topped the league) and arguably he would need to invest in more Overseas talent to even get a chance to get back there. Something he has not got especially after the financial disaster of 2019 on several fronts. Maybe he feels that if they can put together a strong team in a weakened league that wins most weeks , will perhaps have some of the fickle fans who kept away in 2019 coming back in 2020 as success is important to many who have been spoiled with it over the years (irrespective of what league you may be in ??). I am not aware of any major team sponsor having been secured for 2020 although early days. Bearing in mind the calibre of who they got fairly late in the close season which was way down on what they got in previous seasons from the likes of Readypower and Volvo, may also be playing heavily on the club if one was not to be forthcoming of any real financial stature. I certainly don't expect admission prices to go down as I would not expect an extra £1/2 to make much difference to the overall crowd level to real speedway supporters and we should not kid ourselves that such a small saving will realistically put 2/3/400 on the weekly crowd. Also bearing i mind that this is Poole one of the more affluent parts of the UK. The Fords may well want to consolidate after the Financial disaster of 2019 which was certainly accelerated by the loss of the main team sponsor who went bust owing them all that money and not withstanding the loss of what I heard was 3 other major sponsors who for varying reasons could not continue their support in 2019. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out in coming week/s and the Team the Ford's plan to put out to be competitive in challenging for the title/Trophies. Leicester showed how it can be done so let's hope Poole can do similar. Having said that having a big JCB Supplier as your main sponsor and also funding Kevlars certainly helped. Plus they even put out the best N/L team on top.

Ultimately it comes back to the same question even if he was available. Would you sign him on what would be an 11.06 GSA. Now that we know the conv is 1.6 for sure. Even in the unlikely event he got a 2.5% discount for each of the 3 seasons he has not ridden I would still argue that even at approx 10.25 he is too high. Especially as well if the points limit in Champ turns out to be lower than Prem. Roll on end of next week when we may be a bit wiser on the new set up for both leagues. Then hopefully we will start getting some various team announcements and can press on with who we may/may not be signing

Surely not at 11.06 as although could score reasonable points, do you really want to tie up 11.06 when we know he is highly unlikely to achieve anything like that. Also if the team limit is in the 41 point range. Ok, as we are on Danes and as Ford Jr mentioned according to Skidder that we may see some old faces as well as some new riders let me throw this one back out there. Hans Andersen just turned 39 this month and is 2 yrs 3 months younger than Bjarne. His Champ GSA converting his final Prem GSA x 1.6 would be 9.26. I know which one I would rather have, Hans is a Poole asset and I think would like to have been retained in Prem but couldnt due to his then av and team building. He already stated on twitter he is thinking seriously of his position in 2020. Rumour on POL Sportfakty that he may drop from POL Nice 1 to 2nd Div as a team has shown interest and no guarantee Lodz will have him back. He was dissappointed he was left out of their last meeting. I also think maybe his SWE career maybe over as he didnt do anything last season. PERHAPS he is realising that globetrotting around Europe over 4 leagues in his twilight years is becoming too much and maybe he can save costs on travelling/bikes/mechanics etc by doubling up in UK with say Peterborough and Poole. He has strong connections with Poole via Sponsors such as I believe Meridian Lifts (apologies if I have wrong sponsor). Maybe as a heat leader in Champ it could help get his confidence back and he could earn well stacking up the points one league down and with say Peterborough in Prem. For me on a 9.26 based on what I think is a highly false Prem 5.79 having struggled after his injury and bad concussion for me would be a no brainer. His gating skills alone would have him in front at the first bend in many races against inferior opposition one league down. Its an interesting scenario if he could be convinced

I thought I saw somewhere he was moving closer to his mate Morris at Swindon with also a view of trying to take on POL in 2020.. It could be of course Morris also looking for another shot at POL flwg his injury which may have effected his form in 2019. Maybe planning to go out together if they were to get fixed up. Also closer in respect of Airport commuting with Heathrow/Gatwick. Just thinking aloud.

What else could one expect from a Swindon supporter

My fault as live in Chelmsford, Essex which is only 2 hours drive away from K.Lynn. Comparing against Poole which is more like 4 hrs 30 mins from K.Lynn which then of course certainly becomes up North. From my side I tend consider K/L more South in comarison with Chelmsford rather than say the Midlands/uuuppp North

True but he did as did Klindt when both have ridden for Poole on a Wed in seasons prior to last season. They managed in the main to accommodate back then. I think much will depend on which route Hans wants to take. DK only gives so many meetings but i suppose you have to ride in them to qualify for things like DK Champ and to qualify for the SGB/SEC qualifiers. When you think about it from a meetings perspective he would have a lot more meetings riding as double up in UK in both Prem/Champ so I suppose it partly comes down to mentally and at his stage does he want to continue globetrotting around Europe or go for being based in one place and also saving on bikes/traveling etc. Does he feel his body and mind can continue to keep hammering out 3/4 leagues per season as he approaches 40. No doubt we will see as he tends to post quickly on twitter when he has news.

Maybe Kent's surprise could be THJ. You never know as he could be classified as International and had signed a contract to ride in UK

Yes - Realised I had put wrong reason immediately after I had posted. I have corrected.

One to throw into the mix. I saw on twitter this morning that Hans Andersen is seriously considering his situation for 2020 after a difficult year on a number of fronts. Some have commented that maybe he should consider dropping a League to Champ to get his confidence back. Maybe even a double up with Peterborough and a.n.other. When you factor in the cost of taking on 3/4 leagues as he did for years although maybe only 3 now perhaps staying in one place - set your financial goals a bit lower bearing in mind he won't get a guaranteed place in POL anyway, perhaps it's a possibility. Also as i type this the news has just broke on SGB site that Nichols (who is based on South Coast last year or two) will not be part of Leicester in 2020 due to his Saturday Speedway GP TV commitments (Leicester being a Saturday raceday). Could moves be afoot for him to sign for Poole if he one of the so called 3 H/L that it is rumoured Poole have approached for 2020 ??

Yes I agree. Perhaps Poole have offered 3 x H/L contracts in the hope of signing one. Personally I think that the Champ team av is already agreed subject to the AGM rubber stamping next week. Bearing in mind some teams have already started announcing riders and the promoters have pre AGM meetings/discussions on agenda points it would kind of make sense to save hours of bickering over what it should/shouldn't be. Would also maybe explain why (if true) Poole have started making moves on the H/L front. Anyway we will hopefully be a lot wiser in just over one week.

If the rumour allegedly among some Poole Sponsors is that Ford/s have offered contracts to 3 heat leaders plus one reserve, it would kick that idea into the long grass. However maybe not so daft would be King as one of the H/L and Nicol in a reserve berth as an up and coming 21 year old American who could improve like a Luke Becker (maybe more wishful thinking on my part). Both Kennedy & Macdonald could be anything as both were first season Aussies at 21 & 22 and either/both could push on a bit in second season both starting from 4 point GSA's. If they get offered back that is now that Sheffield are moving up, but perhaps they may want the better of the 2 as one of their Prem reserves next season. Maybe Poole could choose the one that Sheffield would want as they are probably best judges on whom of the two is better if they choose one as a Prem reserve. Am sure the one chosen would love a double up roll in only his second UK season. My concern would be if Poole are going down the multiple H/L route and the points limit is set around the 40/41 point mark then they are likely to be looking for a N/L rider plus a strongish reserve for those 2 last team slots. All conjecture of course but none the less 8 days away from the first day of the AGM at least its something to debate.

Well you may well keep him then. Google maps is near enough 4 hours Poole/KL notwithstanding what traffic you may hit on the M25/M3 which is a lottery on any given day. KL/Redcar is more like 3 hours 20/30 mins You never know though and at least it ignited some kind of debate on a thread that had not been touched since last Wed which must be a record for Poole on this SGB Forum. However you may have noticed I mentioned earlier on similar subject that I would like to see Jordan Stewart given a try at Poole as he seems to be an up and coming young Aussie with potential. Again no idea where he is based but I assume up North if h rides for Redcar. I see him progressing and certainly worth a go on his lowish GSA. Come on mate you have got to give somewhere as you are going to probably be over the points limit anyway . Not singling out Redcar riders as i named plenty of others as I saw what would seem ideal riders that may be available. I bypassed Charles wright as although a Poole asset (and I question WHY when he said he doesn't want to ride/travel South). Why would Ford sign an asset who doesn't want to ride down South. Having said that he was happy enough riding every season in the South for a combination of Somerset/Swindon and Peterborough since 2013. Maybe if the deal is right he is happy to travel. Sometimes money talks and as said why would Ford have paid to sign him as an asset unless he just wants repeat loan fees.

Redcar must be sweating on the points limit then if they are near enough nailed on to resign Wright on his high 9.59 GSA. Their total team GSA is 43.39 so if it is 41 or 42 then they are going to be looking to shed rider/s. Have no idea where Riss bases himself in UK but if it is way up North then maybe logic would dictate keeping him but then again he also rides for KL down South (East). Just knocking ideas around to cultivate discussion, but yes he is a decent rider and perhaps improving having just recently turned 24. I could be way off of course and he may not even be in Poole's thinking. They are hardly cash rich so may have UK based riders more in mind.

In a way a logical move as believe he lives in Midlands so less travelling in what will be a busy old 2020 for him if he is riding Prem & Champ plus his normal Longtrack meetings and anything else on the Continent he can sign up for on a qualifying or guest basis. Won't have to trek to Somerset every Wed.

What's the thinking behind that Flagrag ?? The POL connection again maybe ?? If that's the case would it not knock them out of most teams planning if not all ?? (Champ that is not Prem)

Good point Lisa. Having said that plenty of Champ riders have signed for POL Nice 1 & 2 Leagues in the past and rarely got a look in during the season. I was totally forgetting that in Champ we get plenty of Sat/Sun meetings as well as Fridays - My bad . Having said that Leicester also won't get him with their mainly Sat race nights and also all the other weekend meetings if that's the case. Mind you Leicester may need to shed plenty of team points anyway having amassed that lofty 44.88 total on the final GSA's on SGB site. That's a BIG reshuffle if the limit is set at 41 or 42. My personal choice would be Riss who only turned 24 on 13th Sept and rode Poole well plus had a decent GSA for both Redcar and K.Lynn. Not sure if Southern based but if he is would be an ideal signing (if not commited to DK/POL) and I think is improving. Having just said that something niggles at me to say maybe POL involved ???

I missed the enigmatic Ricky Wells but he is only 7.05 so not a H/L and would have lots of reservations on him especially away. Not for me thanks.