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He must have known that that was being videoed and that it would go public? Had they had a liquid dinner beforehand or something? For a company CEO to be that incompetent when playing to an audience of like minds was certainly embarrassing.

The more the merrier, thanks For anyone struggling with wording, just have a look at the other objections and use the outline of something that takes your fancy. It shouldn't be too difficult to slightly re-order and reword your objection a touch so that it looks sufficiently different.

Funny that the video hasn't appeared on the AEPG Facebook page, as do most of his recent promotional efforts! His selling point to that stuffy crowd was who'd like to live near a unique culture, leisure and tourism community facility when one could have a useless driving range instead? Sums it, him & them up really!

The problem there though is that Butterfield said that the speedway only shows that profit because the charity was supporting it. I guess that that means in terms of favourable rent, some staff time throughout the week , equipment, storage etc? If all of that expense was costed individually and fully charged then that profit would soon disappear into a loss? AEPG or whoever are not prepared to subsidise the club into profit is his argument, hence him asking the consortium for complicated business case. Fortunately the small consortium and their friends know more about the ins and outs of running at the EoES than he could ever wish to, even if he bends his mate Chapman's ear. I'm sure that they are up to the task!

A very useful video for anyone who didn't know what he is like. Worth noting that Opportunity Peterborough (hosting the event) is wholly owned by Peterborough City Council. Also clock the nasty piece of work at the end who says that that's what people do when Butterfield calls the local and nationwide speedway fans selfish because they don't want to lose Peterborough Speedway & 50 years of local/national/world history and community to the fantasy vision of a greedy developer which will not, IMHO, appear in a disruptive 12 years time anything like the glossy brochure.

The gloves are really off now https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/aepg-boss-tells-peterborough-speedway-fans-to-present-business-case-as-supporters-bid-to-save-the-panthers-4638820 Why does he want a business case? He says that speedway is finished and is so confident of his sales pitch that surely we can't trouble his 100,000 supporters (that's approx 1/2 the population of Peterborough btw ) I wouldn't play his game of deflection away from the local plan and other local considerations Our mate Old Nutter summed it up: The AEPG approach is to make a significant point in the low number of times a section of the EoES would be used for speedway. On it's own that simplistic outsider understanding is obvious in every part of the Butterfield plan. No separate proper spectator sport can ever hope to get close to making a profit without becoming a part of a shared multi-use volume occupancy. Even the new Spurs stadium has been designed to take in American Football, Women's Football and huge pop concerts plus more. The lack of speedway in Peterborough is solely down to one misguided outsider. Any multi-use sport facility of the kind that anyone with a single brain-cell would contemplate to future-proof the continued community value of the EoES would have to be designed to accommodate a wide range of sports, both inside and outside. The areas under the grandstands could be able to house gym-type sporting facilities, squash, badminton, martial arts and so-on. The centre green could be used for grass type sports like local school football and hockey championships and so on.

Indeed. We can focus on the real issues and not get deflected by who owns what.

Well something worked as both pages on the PCC planning portal are full of objections, so a big thank to anyone who made the effort Do keep it going if possible. We need to keep on the front foot

Well something worked as both pages on the PCC planning portal are full of objections, so a big thank to anyone who made the effort I've equally had the same thoughts about the club ownership but have been told: "Don’t get hung up on the ownership issue, it really isn’t that important." so that's a reliable message on that situation IMO.

And additionally on that, we need Peterborough Speedway fans and the wider speedway world to get a second wind and register an objection on the Peterborough City Council planning portal (Either new or additional comments based on what you now know: just say that the objection is additional. Doesn't need to be anything detailed but we need to counteract the raft of weak support comments being submitted recently (some of which offer no comment but just register as a support submission when the numbers are compiled) As well as yourself, you can get friends and family to submit a new or additional objection as long they say as such if additional: 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings - this is where Peterborough Speedway sits. https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSXWVDML04U00 23/00400/OUT | Outline permission for up to 850 dwellings - this is the part not in the local plan that the chancer has thrown it to totally confuse the issue https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSOMJ0MLIWV00

And additionally on that, we need Peterborough Speedway fans and the wider speedway world to get a second wind and register an objection on the Peterborough City Council planning portal (Either new or additional comments based on what you now know: just say that the objection is additional. Doesn't need to be anything detailed but we need to counteract the raft of weak support comments being submitted recently (some of which offer no comment but just register as a support submission when the numbers are compiled) As well as yourself, you can get friends and family to submit a new or additional objection as long they say as such if additional: 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings - this is where Peterborough Speedway sits. https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSXWVDML04U00 23/00400/OUT | Outline permission for up to 850 dwellings - this is the part not in the local plan that the chancer has thrown it to totally confuse the issue https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSOMJ0MLIWV00

Yup. It's getting a bit nasty now and he's misjudged a situation that he could have handled so much better and negotiated an amicable split, but he's just a bully who thinks that what he says goes without question. It only takes half a dozen people (some local which he isn't) with strong views and local knowledge to cause problems and delay for AEPG and get something significant for Peterborough Speedway from the mess that Butterfield and Co have created.

CJ bailed and left us in the crap? Not sure about that? Who signed and paid for them is open to question I'd say? Chapman would have done a cost/benefit analysis for his input. He would know that Panthers already healthy support would be boosted by sensible investment. Would the same investment have reaped the same reward at Lynn?

Unless you can restore my dog from his ashes and recreate those barmy summer nights at Ferry Meadows (with the sound of the bikes a short distance away) then sadly I have nothing to relive. I never attended a meeting in 2021.

Any truth in the rumour that for a truly authentic feel of 2021, social distancing will be in operation and the still ineffective face masks will be on sale at the door

Ok I'll bite: you missed one and we don't!

Peterborough Panthers return to Alwalton....for one night only Peterborough Panthers are on their way back to their spiritual home at Alwalton. And fans, starved of seeing their speedway team in live action, have the chance to relive one of the biggest trophy celebrations in the club’s long history. A specially edited film of the famous ‘Dad’s Army’ team being crowned top-flight league champions after their two-leg Grand Final victory against Belle Vue in 2021 will be premiered at a special ‘Speedway Returns to Alwalton’ night later this month. It’s a great opportunity for Panthers fans to meet up again and also hopefully there will be members of the consortium fighting to keep the sport alive in Peterborough present who will possibly be able to update everyone on what has been happening and what is planned for the future.” The team has been booted off their East of England Arena base as developers planned for a multi-use leisure village and 1,500 homes (only up to 650 of which are agreed in the Peterborough Local Plan), but included no provision for Speedway. There will not be Peterborough team racing competitively in 2024. (And there will be no planning agreement or building either!) The ‘Dad’s Army’ event has been organised by Panthers Speedway Supporters’ Club in their effort to keep fans involved and fully up to date about what they are doing? What better way of complementing that than looking back at that stunning 2021 season? The Panthers team of Ulrich Ostergaard, Chris Harris, Scott Nicholls, Bjarne Pedersen, Hans Andersen, Michael Palm Toft and Jordan Palin began the season as rank outsiders for the title. They were dubbed ‘Dad’s Army’ because of the average age of the squad. Peterborough Panthers are still the only professional Peterborough sports team to win the league at the highest level. The event is at the Colonel Dane Memorial Hall in Church Street, Alwalton – a mile or so from speedway’s home for more than 50 years – at 7.30pm on Friday, May 31.Tickets (£3 for members, £4 for non-members and under 15s free) are by e-mail from ppssc2016@yahoo.com. Full text and article from peterboroughtoday May 13 2024

It was /is certainly ignorance. In terms of product though, at least historically Man U & Liverpool are of the same standing although the Anfield mob are currently in the ascendency and have been for a few years now.. I prefer the Man U to Burnley analogy. Yes it's football but not in anyway of equal worth. Anyone who thinks that the product provided by the unique facility at the EoES can be matched by the Norfolk Arena is ill-informed and delusional, and he clearly is! Also strange that an alleged green council, keen on reducing car usage and improving the fitness and wellbeing of people wants them to hit the roads for polluting car journeys. If they buy the AEPG guff that is?

As you put in your objection, they don't get speedway or where it sits nationally or locally and probably got all of their information from Buster which is why they suggested Kings Lynn as an alternative venue. He said, I'll get you out LP30 l: "The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area?" Buster may have said to them that the Norfolk Arena is the equal of the EoES in terms of stadium, track and action provided! And Butterfield bought that and even put it in one of his alleged flagship key reports

And yet he fought for every date, if indeed that was the case (bet he didn't have to fight for the last one? Butterfield would have sent him a spreadsheet to enable that AEPG PR coup!) and the support still stayed strong and was growing until the EEAS/AEPG got ahead of themselves. Sort of made the point really.

Or it shows that the club is well supported and viable despite the sub standard product that he usually subjected the Panthers faithful to during his tenure.

Maybe but it's not the nod through that a relevant councillor told me a year ago that it would be. PCC Planning and Environmental Committee are going to have to openly in public justify every decision on this and that's not going to be comfortable for them. AEPG certainly didn't want strong opposition to their plans and are spending a fortune on pushing their and the EEAS narratives. The important thing is to remain positive despite the AEPG rhetoric and see where it leads.

Just part of the AEPG strategy to put Peterborough Speedway totally out of action so that they claim that LP30 doesn't apply. We know that a speedway stadium was handed over to them in perfect working order in October but in 6 short months they have wrecked the track, lighting, fence, pits and stand, as well as their Development Summary report saying that speedway is in decline nationally and is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn , where most of the former Panthers riders are now? PCC Policy (22/11/23 Planning Portal) pointed out the effect of Peterborough Panthers being evicted their home since 1970 and the vandalism to the speedway infrastructure and speedway track that was clearly fit for purpose as a potential problem now. As Bratters says, will PCC see it for what it is and stick to the plan or be seduced by a future pipe dream and pound signs?

The wheels sure turn slowly that's for sure. The application went in December was my understanding and the subject was Peterborough Speedway and it's outbuildings so it's somewhat confusing to focus on the grandstand, although Butterfield and AEPG's communications often do so there might be some logic in there somewhere?

At least they've made an effort of sorts although the fact that the page has a promotional video for AEPGs unwanted vision is a bit galling: Peterborough Panthers Speedway team remain defiant and target a return to racing in 2025 Full statement https://borospeedway.proboards.com/post/43173