One Eight point rider and over per team. Agree or disagree?

[Youhave2minutes]

For me it’s a shame if this method is imposed, as I think personally I don’t see it working successfully for all clubs. What do you all think?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

23 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said:

For me it’s a shame if this method is imposed, as I think personally I don’t see it working successfully for all clubs. What do you all think?

It’s trivial, at this point in time we haven’t got a sport, we need to sort that out before we even contemplate how teams are made up 

[Youhave2minutes]

Just now, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

It’s trivial, at this point in time we haven’t got a sport, we need to sort that out before we even contemplate how teams are made up 

How that’s gonna be achieved god only knows😢

[noaksey]

Presumably the championship are trying to address the issue that has now blighted the Premiership where the outcome of the league is clear before a race is run

If it spreads the better riders throughout the league and stops the top 3 or 4 from signing effectively 2 number 1's then I'm in favour 

[noaksey]

Presumably the championship are trying to address the issue that has now blighted the Premiership where the outcome of the league is clear before a race is run

If it spreads the better riders throughout the league and stops the top 3 or 4 from signing effectively 2 number 1's then I'm in favour 

[ouch]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

Presumably the championship are trying to address the issue that has now blighted the Premiership where the outcome of the league is clear before a race is run

If it spreads the better riders throughout the league and stops the top 3 or 4 from signing effectively 2 number 1's then I'm in favour 

I get what you’re saying if it’s “off the peg” signings like many teams do but if you sign a couple of 3.00ers, a 4.50, and 7.50 then invest time and money on developing those riders to GP or FIM gold standard then it should be right you can keep them rather than help feather the nest of other clubs that operate outside of our mindset. 

[old bob at herne bay]

Just the Premiership ?  Poole were odds on to win everything in 2025 , and will do so again in 2026.

with so few teams in the PL “over8 “ riders could be out of work 😂.

 

Let’s face it an 8 point rider isn’t that great …. 4 second places every week and it’s an 8 point average . Hardly a “ heat leader” 

pProbaly a reflection that anyone with a decent bike and who can gate can beat anyone on the modern slick tracks 

[The White Knight]

5 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Just the Premiership ?  Poole were odds on to win everything in 2025 , and will do so again in 2026.

with so few teams in the PL “over8 “ riders could be out of work 😂.

 

Let’s face it an 8 point rider isn’t that great …. 4 second places every week and it’s an 8 point average . Hardly a “ heat leader” 

pProbaly a reflection that anyone with a decent bike and who can gate can beat anyone on the modern slick tracks 

(i) Red: Well, we have Redcar to thank that they (Poole) didn't.

(ii) Blue: But do you not think that is part of Speedway's problem. It's a predictability thing. I don't think that one or two Clubs winning everything every year is good for Speedway. Speedway is a Sport, there must be competition. Becoming like what Rangers and Celtic used to be in Scottish Football can be very,very boring.

[old bob at herne bay]

Haha, well done Redka. 🙂 Shock of the season. :-0 

But you know what I mean ..... Ippo to win the p.offs from the moment the season started. Only injury robbed them the year before. Poole almost wiped the board in the PL . 

Just ONE of the problems in British Speedway , predictability.  Not helped  with the boring boring  every meeting run over 15 heats. No variation. WHY ? 

 

 

[old bob at herne bay]

Poole in the CL ! 

[enotian]

This is really boring right but theoretically the current formula has 4 critical heats (2, 8, 13 and 15) i.e. the heats where the lowest rated riders face each other and the highest rated riders face each other. These are the swing heats. If you build top heavy and are weak at reserve/#2 you win two and lose two of those heats. If you're strong at reserve you win two and lose two of those heats. Therefore, there's two ways you can build a team. Top heavy or Strength in depth. Top heavy has always been preferred because the chances of a reserve improving are much higher than a #1. And it's all about having a team that improves on its starting average. And obviously two riders get 5 rides while the rest get 4.

As soon as you introduce a rising star or whatever restriction on the standard of reserves you remove the ability to build a strength in depth team. Therefore the winning strategy is to build top heavy. The demand exceeds supply and you end up paying more for those top riders to fill 1 and 5 because if you don't...  you can't win.

I'm not saying ensuring opportunities for young riders is a bad idea but it does rule out building a strength in depth team, which is a shame imo but understandable. But what I am saying is that if you've removed the option of building a strength in depth team you should also remove the option to build a top heavy team. If you wish to have something approaching a level playing field. Unless you allow some flexibility in riding order, maybe,

All theoretical of course but if you look at the composition of winning teams this season it supports the hypothesis. 

In summary, if you restrict the bottom you've got to restrict the top.

[Disasterpiece]

Disagree. Just personal opinion though. I just feel like speedway has such great potential but how can you promote a product that keeps getting watered down?

[Aries]

On 10/29/2025 at 6:49 PM, ouch said:

I get what you’re saying if it’s “off the peg” signings like many teams do but if you sign a couple of 3.00ers, a 4.50, and 7.50 then invest time and money on developing those riders to GP or FIM gold standard then it should be right you can keep them rather than help feather the nest of other clubs that operate outside of our mindset. 

You live in a world of unicorns. Any rider with ability will make it regardless. Those that don’t have it, just don’t have it. No “magic beans” will Suddenly make riders of limited ability suddenly make it to the big time through coaching. The greatest riders of all time could teach me all day long, I wouldn’t be able to get on a bike and compete let alone be successful!

Edited 19 hours ago by Aries

[CrystalCastles]

Disagree. I don't think limiting an 8 point rider would achieve anything.

 

 

[Youhave2minutes]

13 hours ago, CrystalCastles said:

Disagree. I don't think limiting an 8 point rider would achieve anything.

 

 

Just create another mess

[TTT]

Think it's a brilliant rule and it should be introduced into the Premiership as well.

[Youhave2minutes]

12 minutes ago, TTT said:

Think it's a brilliant rule and it should be introduced into the Premiership as well.

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