BWitcher

He is entitled to change his line when it is safe to do so! He changed his line and collected somebody as a result. THAT IS THE FACT. And now you are getting very petty with your argument. Jonsson is expected to react in an instant when someone crazily swerves across him on the straight! The more you talk, the bigger hole you dig for your argument. Your version is the guy in front can swerve around all he likes, anybody alongside him had better just get out of the way or be mown down. If you're mown down, its your fault. Gollob miscalculated. He thought he was clear of Jonsson and was not.

Ok.. so now we have established, as agreed by you, that Gollob was the one who changed his line. Hence Gollob caused the crash!

Thankyou for finally pointing out that Gollob 'started to turn'. You don't start to turn at Monmore Green BEFORE the start finish line, never mind a 400 metre plus circuit! No twisting of facts needed.

Again you are talking about rules, which is nothing to do with the discussion. Big deal, you claim you spoke to a rider. I spoke to two.. what does that prove? Nothing, neither us even know if its true. What we do know is the opinion of 3 experienced riders opinions who all say the same thing. It was dangerous. I think they will know what is and isn't dangerous IN A RACE. Rules etc? Completely different topic. Please, just try and justify how Gollob swerving left across the start/finish line and collecting Jonsson can be deemed as doing 'nothing wrong'.

Did he clean someone out on the straight when he passed Pedersen? No he didn't. Facts are, Gollob turned left, Gollob wiped out Jonsson. End of! And as for your attempt to suggest that Tatum, Richardson and Ermolenko do not know what is dangerous, and what is not when riding a bike. Well, quite frankly, to suggest you know better is pathetic. It has nothing to do with who won and didn't win a GP. Gollobs move was akin to driving on a motorway on the outside lane, and then swerving into the middle lane, only to clip the front of a car there and send him spinning. Whose fault is it? By your reckoning its the guy in the middle lane..

Dear god, I despair sometimes with people. You have been watching speedway for all these years and yet you still do not appreciate what is a dangerous move. Jonsson did not change his line. Gollob turned left on the straight, which I repeat is a big NO NO and collected him. 3 riders all agreed that it was a dangerous move (Tatum, Ermolenko, Richardson). However, you, with all your years of experience riding a bike think different. I've since spoken to two other riders (one current, one ex) and they also agree Gollob was completely at fault.

You know absolutely nothing about speedway then. One of THE biggest no-no's in speedway is turning left on a rider on the straight. Its one of the most dangerous moves you can do and it invariabley ends in carnage, as in this GP. You will not find one rider who would condone such a move. Whether he looked or not is irrelevant. In fact, if he hadn't of known he was there, he wouldn't have been going left at that point of the straight in the first place. Disgraceful, dangerous move. Should have been excluded.

Thats rubbish. It doesn't matter what age you are, if you are still one of the top riders in the world. This is the problem with the GP and why it is not a 'true' World Championship. PK is a better rider than at least HALF of the field in this years championship.

This is the tired old argument that is always put forward. As I mentioned earlier, riders of today have only one knowledge.. full throttle racing. They cannot comprehend that you can race on a trickier track with a bit of skill and throttle control. Have you considered that maybe the reason for the increase in injuries is in fact just the opposite to the above argument? Riders want super slick, fast tracks so they can rider faster and faster, inches from the fence. In the past, if you went too wide you would be in the really deep stuff, often slowing you down. Now, there is such a lack of dirt on the tracks there is nothing out there to slow you as the fence approaches. One mistake and BANG. If a track is prepared these days, quite heavy, or with a lot of dirt down, the riders do not want to know.

Yes Steve, and your Poole boys at Monmore.

This is becoming more of a problem in speedway. Having seen several meetings at Monmore Green held up severely due to a few pansies not wanting to ride on a track with dirt on I can sympathise with the specators at this event. There are more and more riders around these days who can do nothing but ride full throttle on super slick tracks. Tracks that pose a few problems and cause them to have to throttle off and think about their riding are deemed 'dangerous'. It may even be possible that the opposite is possible and that it is/was in fact safer on the trickier tracks as riders were forced to ride slower and more sensibly.

[ Anyway, I think I have found you a volunteer to join you in the re-enactment. BWitcher seems to be of the opinion that Steady was not inconvenienced by having a 500cc motor bike ram him on one wheel in the middle of his back from behind at 80mph while riding on a dirt track on a bike with no brakes!! So here is the plan BWitcher on a bicycle in front and you charge into him from behind raising your front wheel into his back. If that feels okay move onto the moped etc. I can’t wait to hear of the result! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, this is the plan. Watch the race again. Who is the rider that lose at least FIFTY yards and all momentum.. hmmm.. Try taking the Nigel Pearson glasses off before you watch it too.

If Nicki Pedersen had been the rider in Simon Stead's postion you would have been castigating him for leaving no room for the rider on the outside to race. As has been quite clearly explained to you, the only rider inconvienced by that incident was Gollob. Stead built up a 50+ yard lead as Gollob almost came to a halt. But Tomasz caught and passed him in no time.

Thats the spirit. Well done. Last is always best. UTTER CRAP

So its a crime now to have new equipment?

The referee hasn't done anything wrong regarding Stead. Don't listen to the ultra biased complete and utter crap that Pearson is spouting. I'm tired of hearing how brilliant GB are doing. We are LAST. Simple as that. You won't here the Swedes and Danes talking about how brave there riders were. They will be holding an inquest into what went wrong and how to improve next time. Whereas we'll talk about how 'well' we did. This is why we won't ever get anywhere on the World Stage.

Is he? He's the one that was excluded for foul riding..

Without a doubt. And our super intelligent team manager jumps up and down like we've won the Cup already. That overtake by Richardson may cost us a place in the final.

He's got it sussed now Nicki threw that one. Nicki nearly stopped!!!!

i'm not missing the point (Nicholls has already done that tonight )... but the point i'm trying to make is that there are 3 others that didn't see the red light... just what was Nicholls seeing? i have a powerful auto-focus flash that produces the short bursts of red light, and i know what he says he saw, but the other 3 kept going Yes Steve, because perhaps they didn't see it. The 2 riders in front had perhaps passed where the light came from & NP was shielded by being behind Scotty. The fact is YOU don't know what he saw, he did. And I think it is reasonable to assume that no speedway rider would stop racing in that situation just because it seemed like a good idea. You have ridden a speedway bike, obviously not at this level, but riders have it ingrained into their racing psyche that if a red light is shown, they stop. If you honestly believe that he saw nothing & in a similar situation you would have acted differently, then good for you, that makes you a better man than him. I agree Dave, the fact Scotty put his hand up to warn Nicki of the non-existent "danger" points to this. James Yep.. but then says he thought the red light was on because Nicki had fallen... hmmm Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last. It happened at Monmore a few weeks ago against Eastbourne..Wolves were on a 5-1 and it turned to an 8-1 against as David Howe thought he saw a red light and slowed down, hence Chris Neath following slowed, and the Eastbourne duo of Norris and Pedersen didn't and so shot past! I also remember a controversial incident in a GP at Coventry (not sure what year) when Tomasz Gollob pulled up having seen a light. In that instant there actually WAS a light on but still he wasn't put back in the race.

How stupid is that? I am British but was disgusted with the referee. If it wasn't for his incompetence and blatant cheating then it would never have been a last heat decider anyway!! Well done Hans You can blame the referee for everything. You could see the danes getting very angry that decisions were going against them in favour of the Brits. I said over and over that they would get their revenge one way another. I expected either Hans or Nicki to wipe someone out on the 1st bend. However they were even cleverer! BUT as I have already said, I don't think Andersens actions had ANY bearing on the result. Scott was always going to struggle from Gate 1. PK was the only rider who was able to generate speed around the outside at the end of the meeting and was ALWAYS going to storm straight past. Andersen very quickly let Scotty past but PK pulled further and further clear each lap. The result was NEVER in doubt. Yes, I agree that Andersen, in a sportsmans world, shouldn't have done what he did, but these things happen. The Danes had been taken out by the Brits several times earlier in the night and the ref had taken no action. They were always going to find a way to get even.

We do know! Nicholls got past quite quickly and was not very far behind PK at all. However PK was FAR quicker and pulled well clear. He was able to ride a wider line than any of the other riders at the end of the meeting and was generating more speed. GB rode superbly, gave it their best shot, however, it was apparent to me that 3 gate 1's in the last 4 races would cost them, and it did.

All night I was saying that the Danes would eventually get the English back. And they did. BUT there was no way Scotty was going to get near PK.

Yeah, cus Ronnie Russell is doing so well this year isn't he. You talk such utter c*** at times. No blame can be levelled at Middlo tonight.

I agree completely regarding the onboard camera. Its a good idea, but should be used for replays only to give another perspective of the race.