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For the benefit of Stevebrum who is polluting the Belle Vue thread with his jibberish. Jacob Thorssell achieved his average riding at a second string position last year, No 4. That is a lot easier that riding at 5. It's not a debate, it's not up for 'opinion', it's just reality.

You're clearly living in some alternate world.

Nobody has ever said that. What is being said is riding at 2 or 4 is a hell of a lot easier than riding at 5 and will make a significant difference to your average.

Steve, kindly just shut up and stop being a ****. You must be the only speedway fan on the planet who doesn't grasp that no 4 is a far easier position than no 5 but as always you will keep arguing and make yourself look a fool. Leave you to it.

Fair enough, not seen this week's.

Steve, this is a Belle Vue thread, leave the nonsense for elsewhere. Positions 1 & 5 are the hardest positions, i.e. heat leader roles, 2,3 &4 are second string roles in terms of opponents faced. That's reality. Why would I be telling you he didn't finish 2nd in the averages when he did? Whether he was the 2nd best rider though is another argument.

He wasn't wrong. As regards the signing of Cook, can't for the life of me think of any reason why Belle Vue wouldn't want to sign him. He is passionate and puts his heart and soul into racing for the club. The kind of rider you LOVE to have in your side. He may not make a successful GP rider (then again he might) but the sport would be in a better place if there were more Craig Cooks in it.

What are you wittering on about? He rode as a second string. No 4 is a second string position. Second heat leader would be riding at No 5 and having Heat 13 every week. Sam Masters rode there.

Significant difference there, have a think.

Can't speak for Bjerre but highly likely Lindgren wouldn't be interested in riding for another team in the UK.

Irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the ability of the riders. It's to do with size of the league, heat formats and bonus pts. Case in point, the top division in Poland, the strongest league there has ever been, it wouldn't come close to your criteria.

Yes, but the post I was replying too was saying they should stick to the nights and Championship should have the Monday. Clearly they've discussed and decided it's beneficial for Premiership to have the Friday and Championship the Monday.

If they stuck to it, Championship wouldn't have Easter Monday would they.

It's all BS. Makes folk 'think' they are getting something special and makes them feel more elite. I cannot abide this 'designer' food where it all looks nice and pretty on your plate but there's hardly any of it.. yet costs 10x more than it should.

Ok I understand, winning more races than someone else, consistently beating someone else, it doesn't mean you are better than them in your opinion. So, what in your opinion made Kurtz a better rider than Morris in the UK last season?

If you said that you'd be incorrect. However, if you said Leon Madsen was better in the Polish Extraleague than Jason Doyle last season you would be correct. Just as Nick Morris was better than Brady Kurtz in the top flight in the UK last year. That is FACT no matter how much Burntfaceman tries to wriggle and squirm. Not only did he have a higher GSA, he spent the entire year riding in the No 5 spot and didn't have a spell riding as a second string and having easier rides as a result. Even putting all that to one side, in meetings between Poole and Swindon Kurtz and Morris lined up 9 times against each other: The results? Morris 7 Kurtz 2

Remind me how a GSA is achieved.

Especially those who post on threads they have no interest in simply to abuse those that do.

When I get bored I'll go post on something I have absolutely no interest in. Folk discussing speedway on a speedway forum. Who'd have thought it.

Do explain how he managed to achieve a higher GSA? Next you'll be suggesting Jason Doyle isn't World Champion. Just because he scored more GP pts doesn't make him better! Let's do away with 3pts for winning a race.. just because you won the race doesn't make you better in that race..

Morris was the better rider in the UK last season. There isn't even an argument to say he wasn't. When you delve a little the difference was even bigger. Kurtz Home Average 8.36 8.80 (with bp) Away Average 7.58 8.00 (with bp) Morris Home Average 8.94 (9.50 with bp) Away Average 8.61 (9.33 with bp) Morris is convincingly better than Kurtz on away tracks where he posted an average only slightly below his home one. Another significant factor is Kurtz's figures are inflated from riding 11 home meetings to only 8 away. Morris on the other hand has 13 home meetings and 14 away. Reality is the gap is bigger than the on paper figures show.

Two different questions. Who is better and who was better at a certain age are very different. At the moment, Morris is better than Kurtz in the UK. Indisputable. That may change next season, time will tell.

Or you could say, that despite riding with such a dominant partner in two races, he still comfortably averaged more than Kurtz. No difference between 5 & 1 in terms of the opposition.

I like this character of yours better DropaCog/FredFlange/Wibble/FledFlange. Still got the same issue with repeating the same phrases every other post, but this less intelligent, abusive alter-ego is a refreshing change.

Personally I think Cradley should have moved up to the top flight after their first season at Monmore. They were getting crowds comparable with Wolverhampton and who knows, they may have been able to talk Greg into leading them. As it is I get the impression they have slowly let the momentum drift away whilst looking to make easy money. Very, very sad. I also know for a fact there were quite a few Cradley fans who have never been to watch the NL side, but had they moved up even one division would have returned. I know nine Cradley fans altogether and that is the case with every one of them. There are bound to be more.