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So it counts as rape when Muddlo penetrates social media ?

All track medical officers are given an aide memoirs (also downloadable from the SCB website) which includes guidance on how to deal with concussion. This includes standard guidance applicable sports in general, not just speedway. Clearly there are varying degrees of concussion ranging from trivial to very serious. If a rider suffers a head injury (or any other injury for that matter) the MO hast send an injured rider form to the ref and the meeting cannot continue until this is done. In the case of a head injury the form should include an assessment of the injury. The point to bear in mind is that the track doctor is not responsible for the riders medical care apart from emergency treatment and first aid. That responsibility falls to the riders GP or hospital. When a rider signs on for a meeting he certifies he is fit to ride and one presumes that he has been cleared by those treating him, although the MO does have power to make him undergo an examination if he clearly seems unfit. The trouble is some riders are clearly casual about health matters but they are adults and you can't be behind them all the time.

Muddlo really is as dim as Toch H lamp. It is common practice in any judicial hearing or tribunal where there is a panel of judges to give the decision in WRITING some time after the hearing. The reason his the tribunal review the evidence and set out their reasons for coming to their decision and if it is majority decision they include the views of the dissenting judges. the other thing is that this is clearly something of an unusual case, at least within speedway and possibly within sport generally so it may well be that the decision will be sitting precedent so the rationale behind the decision has to be explained clearly There is nothing unusual about this, yet Muddlo who purports to be a team manager under the auspices of the FIM, who has ostensibly been in charge of his national team in international competitions apparently doesn't know how these things work. The last couple of years Muddlo has shown himself to be a fool , and and arrogant one at that, considering the way blurts his opinions all over social media while his fellow TM's tend to keep their own counsel on these things and wait for announcements through the official channels As for Starman, it really seems SCB is spot on. Difficult to believe anyone is really that thick.

The FIM anti doping code state that it is the riders personal responsibility to ensure that no prohibited substance enters his body. Elsewhere they recommend that a rider should take alcohol before an event Whether you label it "drunk " or not is irrelevant. The point is he chose to allow alcohol into his body. That puts into sharp perspective his excuse that he didn't hydrate properly. He shouldn't have had the stuff in his body in the first place. Bottom line is Darcy is a bit of an idiot and if you read Muddlo's inane ramblings in Speedway Star over the last few weeks he his not much more informed than Darcy.

I read it on here as well but I have read all kinds of rubbish on here that is mere speculation with no factual basis. A few questions for those who insist there is a substantial compensation claim:- 1. What country does Darcy''s cause of action arise in, Latvia , Switzerland or somewhere else ? How exactly do the laws of whoever country it is make provision for this sort of claim ? 2 . Who exactly is Darcy going to sue? Is it the FIM , or the body that organised the event, or the race director , the referee or whoever conducted the alleged incorrect test ? 3. How does Darcy establish his loss of earnings? How for example does he prove that in a dangerous sport he wouldn't have been injured in his first race of the GP and missed the rest of the season anyway ? 4.How does he show that notwistanding the allegedly faulty breathalyser he was not over the limit anyway. There are a multitude of similar hurdles to be overcome and whilst I agree they could potentially be answered my point is that whatever potential claim Darcy's lawyers could allegedly make there are plenty of obstacles that could be thrown in the way by equally skilled lawyers opposing him. I obviously don't know all the details but nor does anybody else on here but I do know that any potential claim would not be the sort of plain sailing that Starman and a few others seem to imagine. Unless there are some relevant facts not in the public domain I very much doubt that there will be a serious legal claim,

Where is the basis for a claim for loss wages and compensation ? All we have heard about that is gossip .

As a matter of speculation, supposing he gets a ban beyond the start of the season, how would this affect his visa application? It would be difficullt for Poole to say they would give him a job because once the first set of CMA's are out then in theory they might not be able to fit him in .

It might be more beneficial if they hit him with a two year ban from Booze and young women

Sids and Gustix are different kettles of fish. SIDS heart is in the right place but he lets his emotions run away with him. With regard to Gustix it depends what you refer to as knowledge. He certainly has some good recollections of speedway in days gone by which are of interest to those such as myself that appreciate recollections of speedway history, by himself, Norbold , and a few others. Unfortunately he has absolutely no knowledge of how to debate, how to construct an argument, how to respond to banter, and perhaps most important of all how to keep more or less to the substance of the topic under discussion without drifting off into barely relevant , tangental tediously uninteresting drivel

I know how we missed it. He's had a ban and now has to have his first few posts read by. s mod, just as with a new member, hence the post only got slotted in after mod approval by which time the tread had moved on. Poor old Sid. It would be a pity to see him gone for good(unlike Shovlar) but on this sort of rough and tumble forum banter, you have to learn to take it as well as dish it out.

If that's their strongest argument it is unlikely to get very far. It is a sloppy term but in legal documents it is usually understood the way John Leslie has explained :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or In the unlikely event that Wards lawyers would run this argument as the main limb of their case they would probably have to show that there is some precedent for it being interpreted in a way favourable to that argument in the past. The other thing is that there is almost certainly something in the rules to say how they should be interpreted in the event of a dispute on meaning. I think it highly likely that the FIM rules on these procedures are very much in line with those of other administrative bodies like the FIA, FIFA and similar organisations and if their was any mileage in the point it would almost certainly have been tested by now

Muddlo said in Speedway Star that Darcy "knows he has done wrong and knows he should be punished" Either Darcy has admitted guilt or Muddlo, not for the first time has made himself look a complete idiot blurting out something that is not strictly true.

And of course, as we all know, getting off on a technicality is not the same as establishing ones innocence

I didn't know that. I suppose being "professional " and being a nice guy don't always go together, although many respected speedway historians regard Ronnie Moore as the most naturally talented rider ever plus being a complete professional, and according to Briggo and Ivan Mauger he was a nice bloke as well, and they should know. He is another one I would have loved to have seen in his prime. Here you are Starman. Best I can do for you. England -v-Australia 1933. I love the pictures of the crowd, all in their Sunday best, no anoraks, no baseball caps, immaculately manicured grass on the centre green. And what a commentator ! No shouting of screaming, no "whoa how did he stay on the bike Nige ", crowd of 55,000 and the racing doesn't seem to bad either Where did it all go wrong ? ( that's a rhetorical question guys, lets not get into all that again ) http://www.britishpathe.com/video/1933s-first-speedway-test

If there is one rider I wish I could travel back in time and see it is Jack Parker. Evrything I have read about him oozes professionalism... He contested the British Match Race Chamionship someting like 21 times and won, I think 18 or 19'of them, and that was in an era of some cracking riders. It must have been great going to speedway meetings in the late forties/early fifties to see a rider like Parker riding to a packed stadium. I've seen some old newsreels on YouTube and it looks great. As soon as I finish inventing my time machine , my top priority will be going back to see if. Jack Parket what's as good as the history books tell us. When we compare Parker to Dacy Ward there must be a lesson there somewhere.

Since the rule is only at its draft stage it might be a good idea to wait and see its final form, and how it is interpreted before pulling it apart.

Most people have a short fuse when they are young but usually learn to be a bit more measured as they get older. If someone's choice in life is not to learn by experience, and to react in a hotheaded way all the time they cannot expect people to keep cutting them slack time after time. As I said, we all have to follow the same forum rules. Most of us disagree quite strongly at times but we have to learn to get over it and get on with it.

You have started some good topics TWK and people try to wind you up but you don't go threatening people. We all have to follow the same set of rules and pay the same price if we don't.

Riders were much better at making mistakes in the ? 70's and 80's? riders like, like Lee ang Carter made. Some terrific mistakes and the crowds came flocking in ? riders today don't know what mistakes are.Ward ? don't make me laugh he don't know what mistakes are, mad wellie made mistakes than ward one night a cradlley then the next night he was line a choirboy?me I don't care who wins the match as long as there are plenty of mistakes? your right Starman , matt fords good for the sport nobody makes better mistakes than him appointing middlo was a terrific mistake and I'm 73 years old now. If I see you Orion I'll punch you up the throat? and I've seen Bob kilby and crashby ride when my uncle took me in 1847.

I don't know what's happened to Coventry. Decent stadium, some of the best fans around and what should be an excellent track but the track prep seems to have gone to pot over recent years. I haven't been for a couple of years but for a few years before that it always seemed to be in need of dirt being dragged back from the fence. I don't know if things have improved but when I read of meeting regularly over-running there I wonder who is lmanaging the presentation. It used to be such a good place to visit. I don't know why they don't seem to have enough track staff. They have plenty of stirrers as well .

That is the point. We have all seen start marshals call riders to the tapes three lor four times and the riders still sits there fiddling with his clutch , adjusting his goggles or whatever, and the referee rarely does anything. I remember a few years ago in an SWCqualifier Chris Gay disqualified Matej Zagar for wasting time at the start after previously having given a warning and the meeting ran like clockwork after that. I would suggest that is what needs to be done more frequently If a rider habitually wastes time he gets one warning then next time he goes out of the race. You are right in that riders will take liberties and the new rule is a step in the right direction in that it cuts down the amount of fiddling around a rider can do because there is obviously less that can be done sitting on the bike than by getting off, so I disagree with those who say it is a stupid rule, but it has to be used as part of a general crackdown on time wasting at the start, but as Bwittcher has already said it would be boring if the riders came out and started straight away so you need a little time for the riders to prepare and to build a bit of pre-race tension. It's all a question of getting the balance right.

Obviously its not going to waste time if they don't get off their bikes and get themselves excluded , which clearly they won't be.

Most people that comment about track prep on social media have little idea what is required to keep a track in raceable condition. Track prep,is a black art rather than a science. There is no hand book and much depends on the experience of the track curator. Some are very good, others not so good. With British weather it is virtually impossible to produce a perfect track every week, and often the fans who criticise the track don't realise that in the prevailing weather the track staff have often done a heroic job in getting the meeting on at all. Shale id another thing. Some of the really good shale pits are finished and decent quality shale which is not cheap is getting hard to come by, not just getting the stuff but transporting it to the track can be expensive if it has to come half the length of the country. The reality is that with clubs facing tough economic times they cannot just go out and buy 30 tons of shale every few weeks. In an ideal world the team captain should have some input. Dave Watt one that is very good in that respect, others are not so good. So that are a whole range of variable factors Some tracks have more proficient and better trained track staff than others. The fact that some rakers appear to pick the dirt off the kick boards and flick it 3 feet in does not necessarily mean they don't know what they are doing . Sometimes they are doing this because the track curator will pick it up with the grader and drag it across, but it also depends where the dirt line is. An good raker will watch out for lumps in the wrong places to try to minimise the risk of picking up unnecessary grip, but generally there needs to be a bit more dirt on bends two and four where the riders are accelerating out of the bend and a bit less on bends one and three where they are still sliding the bikes into the bend. The skills required vary from track to track but a lot depends on good communication between the promoter, the captain, the track curator and the rakers, which doesn't always happen. The main thing that riders want is a smooth consistent surface with no unexpected bumps and no erratic wet and dry patches where unexpected grip is picked up. However as I said different tracks need to be treated a bit differently and different track men have different ideas, but there does seem to be a general lack of expertise at some tracks while others are very good. Times change though. I can remember when Len Silver was probably the best trackman in the country. but these days whenever I go to Rye House, 2 or three times a year it all seems to be gate and go . Not sure if I have just been unlucky or whether Uncle Len has lost the plot but he is not the man he was.

There is no ongoing debate about it as far as this thread is concerned. Everyone who has commented unanimously agrees that the Facebook page is utter tripe, posted by someone who has sawdust for brains, is even less capable than you of constructing a coherent or cogent argument and it is.an indictment of the intelligence of those who "liked" it. There is nothing more to be discussed. Everybody who has posted is in agreement. Perhaps you might take the hint to take your potty ideas to facebook or some (un)social media site frequented by the sort of half wits that are ill informed enough and inarticulate enough to grant you the attention you crave but frankly you are making yourself look an idiot by continually banging away with your irrelevant point. Nobody agrees with you. Nothing more to discuss. Time to move on.

The referee has the power to fine riders or even exclude riders for wasting time at the start, but it rarely happens. A bigger problem than gardening is riders that hang around adjusting there clutches when being called to the line. A bit of balance and common sense is called for. If a rider is programmed to go out twice in three heats, and is given an extra ride between them, then obviously he needs a bit of a break to re-fuel, replace his tear-offs, swap his rear tyre round etc, but some are plainly wasting time, possibly to unsettle their opponents. Ultimately it is a bit like cricket where teams need to maintain an over rate to keep the flow going and the fans interested, and teams can be penalised for not bowling enough overs.