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Of course, I know that some race formats were more likely to have that happen, but the BL 13-heat format (with Heat 2 as the reserves race) made it much more difficult. I did find a BSF post from a few years back where somebody stated that it was "impossible" to have that post-1968. However, it wasn't impossible, but it was impossible for the three heat-leader positions (it could happen with positions 2, 3, and 4). Obviously, I don't want anyone to devote their lives to looking for stuff like this to help me (not that old-time speedway fans like us have a life ), but I certainly appreciate everybody's efforts!

That is great! I saw that Vitaly now lived here; I think he moved to California, or somewhere on the west coast. My father witnessed his terrible accident.

That's why I thought John Boulger's 21-point max against Reading in 1976 was so good; he scored over half the points for the winning team!

That's ridiculous! Says it all, really...

Excellent! So we started with Nigel Boocock and 16 from 24. Now Steve Lawson has it with 16 from 23. Any advance on that? I know that on their travels, Steve really was a "one-man team" on many occasions.

You're on your Jack Jones here, mate!!!

You know, this stuff is exactly why we love the BSF!

That Glasgow - Long Eaton match you mentioned; both Bruce Ovenden and Graham Coombes score 8 + 4! I'm sure THAT is the only time that's happened - three 12's and two 8 + 4...

So that was a 14-heater, I take it? Of course, 14-16 heat matches give a few more options, but that is still great! More importantly, that is probably the only time that an away team has achieved that!

Over the years, I would think that three would be the normal (though unlikely) minimum for a 13-heat match (without any crazy situations). The only other possibility is if you had a 21-point maximum and an 18-point maximum in the same match, and i really how feasible that is (if at all). Of course, I'm sure that our good friend BL65 would have said something!

I did mention that in the initial post, Steve!

I figured; thanks. I don't suppose you have any idea what it said years ago?

Interesting... Wonder if anyone on here knows the answer?

It's what happens when you are a fraud...

Obviously, the lower the team score, the easier it is for that to happen. It's those draws that impress me!

Not just from the early 1960' s, John; Trofimov had a successful career well into the 70's. I always felt that while he never quite reached the level of some of the other Russians, he was actually a much better - and much more complete - rider than most. So, do you remember any of the other Russians from the 60's, like Boris Samorodov, Yuri Chekranov, Gab Kadirov, and Vitaly Shilo?

Thanks; I knew you'd have an answer! I think you need to publish a book with all these quirky stats!

As far as I know, they are banned "until further notice"; there haven't been any statements to the contrary (at least not visible statements).

Water's unhealthy for you in excess...

What "kind of thinking", and what SHOULD we be thinking?

Is/was that illegal, or is that not covered specifically? Is there something in the rules about additives - and would water be considered an "additive"?

So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring. The one that always stood out for me was Swindon vs Eastbourne in 1980, where Gordon Kennett (21) and Kai Niemi (19) scored 40 points out of 46. I just heard of a similar case where Gote Nordin and Jon Erskine scored 15 each for Newport, who only scored 33 at Wolves in 1965. Are there any other REALLY top-heavy displays? On a similar subject, I have two associated questions: 1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either. 2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15? In 1980, when Jiri Stancl and Ole Olsen recorded 15-point maximums on opposing sides (Reading vs Coventry), there were only four individual heat winners then. Bobby Schwartz (2) and Bernie Leigh were the others.

Ah! Okay, I will start another thread today, then.

As I said, that is one for later, but I still think Eastbourne at Swindon (1980) get that award with Kennett and Niemi scoring 40 of 46 points.

That is a another thing completely - and I have that on the list for later!