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The response to this thread makes me justified about being nervous and why I'm afraid to start a thread about...... "What is the neatest you've ever filled in a programme? For interest only, I have two - Belle Vue v Ipswich from 1976 (I have it framed) and one from the 1977 season. My hand writing went skew afterwards when my hand was used for other things in my teenage years. But that's another story.. I also had a speedway rattle and I damaged my wrist for a time.

Not Poole's fault... it is those who put in place the rules. Poole didn't break any rules, neither do they make them. For the love of speedway, let's grapple the rule book down and kick the living daylights out of it until it sees sense.

Sounds disgusting... and why are refs looking in the showers?

Lindback's signing is within the rules, is it not? But to me, the damage to the sport is like moving your counter a few squares on when your opponent left the room for a lav break when you played that board game as a kid.

Who remember that TV show from the seventies, for kids on ITV - RUNAROUND? Presented by comedian Mike Read. That is what the Play-Offs remind me of.

Tell me you're fibbing...

Does that include the former centregreen chap? Knock one off the figure if so.....

Does anybody care about the foundations of league racing in the country? Do rules exist or are they about as bendable as my old pair of slippers? People are getting all chatty - "It'll be the best "Play-Offs ever" some say. It is the reasoning of a make-do sport, with make-do rules, make-do stadiums and loyalty of remaining supporters that accept anything. It's like we've found a game in the attic but it has no rules. Make them up as we go along... who needs them? Why don't we just ditch the bread-and-butter riders out of the sides in the last four? We could mash-up the best riders - introduce the ones that don't ride here but their foreign jaunts have now dried up and they need a few hours' work. Oh... here's another grand idea... what about signing the best riders who raced the season in Britain but didn't manage to reach the end-of-season pantomime with their respective clubs? I mean, why do some riders over here have to end the season early because their teams failed to make the cut, and yet we're bringing blokes over who didn't want to race here but have now decided there's not much else on? Start from scratch... ditch all the original line-ups of March through September, and pick the strongest sides possible, and forget what the last six months have been about. They meant nowt anyway. Who needs rules, eh.... Which team would get first pick of the riders? Conventional speedway has turned into those Wembley indoor meets we all used to love. It exists just to give the few remaining regulars their kick.

I didn't hear the fella say that... but it was amazing last night, the air being quite thick in Manchester and front door open, I could actually hear the bikes from my home... and I'm five miles from Belle Vue! Made me want to be there, in a funny way. Can't beat the roar of those engines.

Can anyone provide me with the 2016 GPs, Rounds 7 and 8, the full meetings and not the edited versions (the one hour ones)?

Any chance we may play Unsatisfactory Start Speedway Bingo one evening, where players name six heats of the 15 which the race will be restarted? Give us something interesting to do... This is cack. And before I get shot down in flames... have you seen the crowd for the top of the table clash? I don't mean the photographers on centrestage, the few that have ventured to the plush new stadium, that would be the dawn of Belle Vue's rebirth? Nigel Pearson has just said they'll come out for the Play-offs (think he meant crowd), but what is the point of a nice crowd for one match... at the cost of the qualifying matches' attendances? If this Belle Vue v Poole thing was the normal match pre-Play-Offs, the crowd would have been much much bigger, as both sides would have needed a win and not already been in the P/Os, which renders this top of the table encounter nothing more than... nothing. No one will persuade me that the few bumper paynights Play-Offs produce makes up the numbers that stay away during the meaningless qualifiers.

I can't read some of the posts on here without thinking I just couldn't be arsed anymore with the silly rules. Surely there are better things in life than worrying about an eight-day rule or riders below five foot not being able to guest for anyone on a Wednesday.

Here's an idea. Promoters should kid fans that they have signed all the top riders to race for our clubs in the 2017 season, but then say they can't use them as they are riding somewhere else that night and will have to use a stand-in. Supporters will sleep in the belief that the real stars have returned. Afterall, many don't notice... or even care. The whole sport is tootling along in this country, and a stadium that can race on any day it wishes chooses to put a match on in which one of its riders is elsewhere. Let's just get it on tonight; tomorrow will look after itself.

Is there a transfer deadline in speedway? Perhaps one of those transfers that's washed off the next day!

Commentator Pearson tells us regular Herberts.. he explains the rules every so often, as there are new viewers tuning in all the time. New viewers? Been a warm day... perhaps sun stroke to blame on Nige's fod?

SPEEDWAY FAN BINGO: Is there a speedway game I could play while I grow up? What's the weather like in... What was the time for the last heat It doesn't happen if football A footballer would roll around on the floor if he fell like that I've got every year bar since They mentioned speedway on that game show only speedway fans are sad enough to watch

We'll be here this time next year, those whose hearts are still beating that is, still discussing what speedway needs to draw crowds like years ago. And, 12 months on... we'll still be attacking fellow speedway folk who, afterall, are on a forum because of their collective fondness of the sport but rip holes out of each other because it is not an idea another poster wants. And you really wonder why promoters never listen to us, instead having the barefaced cheek to protect all that money they've invested. It is like having that ideal woman but wanting to change at least 20 things you don't like about her, so that others who don't know her, haven't seen her or know she even exists, will be attracted to her. Then your mate - get this - has the cheek to add a 21st thing to your list of dislikes.... and you end by defending her... and, also, by arguing and throwing insults at each other.

What good would it do, even if every blinking promoter tuned into this site? We all have differing views of what we want, just as promoters seem to. A thousand of times it's been said, but what is needed is a strong body with no team/club allegiance. So-called promoters should have no say, everything should be left to this separate body. Can't see it though.. it's their money, and promoters can do what they wish. Fans don't like it, they can stay away and the promoter will lose money and close up. But the sport still drips by. Speedway's history has seen calls by fans to improve things, and 80 years on it is still the case. There is no perfect speedway, let's face it. I liked tac subs but not the double bubble; but some fans prefer the double thing. Can't please everyone.

Perhaps the modern way of life has made humans want less wasted time. For example, how many of us watch the adverts of anything we've recorded on SKY+? Many people nowadays can't even walk without having to tap away at a keyboard on a mobile device. Recall the days I used to watch a live SKY meeting from start to end, often four hours, all the chat between the heats. Now I guess I'd record it and fast forward the empty bits. If I attended, I think the gaps would frustrate me now, whereas I never noticed before. We live in a "want-it-now" society.

There isn't that much wrong with speedway. The main gripe I have is the make up of teams and the fact that so many ride for more than one club, even in other countries. Another is the guest system. What a farce. Surely no one can take it seriously when Rohan Tungate guest for Wolves last night, hitting 14 points and helping them win at King's Lynn, in the process putting doubt on his parent side Swindon's chances of reaching the Play-Offs. If there was ever an example of riders riding for themselves, these are said occasions. He isn't the only rider to do it either. Surely any rider wouldn't put an extra pay night before seeing his own side progress to the Play-Offs. And it wasn't even as if he had a stinker (knowing how Wolves were pressing Swindon) and Wolves lost - he rode like a hero. Then again, if he were to have a stinker purposely, then why take the guest booking in the first place? Indeed, why did Wolves book him, with focus on whatever he scored may have helped or impeded Swindon's march. If the lad was that way inclined, he could have performed like a prune and Wolves no doubt suffered defeat, helping Swindon. All a bit silly.

Bet he wishes he'd have chosen Australia... and that young girl would have had a winner's medal now.

The thing is with speedway, so-called promoters haven't the time to promote their hobby,as there real business need all/most of their day. Usually speedway is left to fans who lend a hand and then we wonder why some of the things that go wrong actually do. Then again,promoters probably would have no clue either. In the local papers and even in yesterday's Mirror, stock car racing was being advertised for over the August Bank Hols. Now, promoters of our sport leave it to regular fans to promote it. "Bring a friend" is normally the advice from promoters, and save your club. It tries to be a professional sport, glossy programme being put before the show on the track, and surely it should be the other way.

The perfect plan will never come off.Imagine if we took a poll of what everybody wants from speedway, there'd be things included that a lot of others dislike. I don't like double points, but other do, and they are still attending. Getting rid of double points may stop them attending and probably won't get me returning.

I thought Anders Michanek, but that was a guess. It' a lot of money to pay, whatever it was, unless you know something we don't. I mean, it is nice to buy a jacket and know whose it was, if you need to let it go at a later date and pass the info on. Although we know in this case it's a Swedish bib, it is a bit like having shale from a track and thinking it's from the old Hyde Road but it's from someone's back yard. It's nice to have a pic, not of the shale, of the bib and the rider with it on... but who is that rider, that's the issue.

Hi Gresham, I am not saying it's a nide one, but I like to know the meeting and the rider. The only thing that you could readily say about this jacket is the two number fives on the back. As you never see the back of race jackets usually it's a chance in a lifetime of knowing whose this was. I may be wrong.. I, as a speedway fan, am sometimes!