crazyb Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, Crump99 said: I think that you're right and that is something that we've got to argue against. AEPG will argue that the site is underused now that they've mugged everybody off and they never used the site to its full potential anyway. I'm sure that when the East of England Agricultural Society got in to bed with AEPG they didn't expect their legacy to be a toxic one, which is something different from that which the developer try to sell on their tin: "we leave a legacy of which all parties can be proud" - Peterborough City Council will never get over, be forgiven, or be proud getting rid of Peterborough Speedway from the city. As for the rent though, because we're inconvenient, they've wrecked the EoES and don't want to offer any help, especially financial (ie subsidise a community facility) their strategy allegedly will be for a break even rent which is clearly ridiculous. However, that does not get them out of their responsibilities under LP30. Hopefully PCC don't buy the guff that AEPG may have submitted to already (and we've yet to see I'm believe) to get them out of their responsibilities. It's worrying that Butterfield is quoted as saying: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” - when nothing has been approved. Peterborough Speedway in not moving anywhere if the planning is rejected and PCC are not hoodwinked over LP30. I have missed seeing who this chap Butterfield is. What does he do and who for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, crazyb said: I have missed seeing who this chap Butterfield is. What does he do and who for https://www.aepguk.com/ (East of England Agricultural Society's current contracted promoter at the Showground) Speedway (from Peterborough Telegraph) “We have worked really closely with the Speedway team and Speedway owners,” Ashley added as the Panthers get set to leave the grandstand. “We’ve been in consultation and open dialogue and have been transparent about the plans and the future. “They have known for many years that the site is earmarked for development and ultimately they would need to move location and find a new home. “We actually extended the period for them to include this season and we managed to push that through and work closely with them to achieve that, so there’s a huge amount of collaboration and support there. “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” General comments: Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins. Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee decides. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead. Edited September 10, 2023 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNutter Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, crazyb said: I have missed seeing who this chap Butterfield is. What does he do and who for Just losing this application(s) will not settle this. If this application fails, they will have two options, they can appeal to the Secretary of State to overrule the council or they can opt to make some changes and hit the go button again, or both. Butterfield seems to be essentially a one-man-band who has managed some of those "health" clubs we are looking to get if he wins. with a convincing manner and not a lot else, other than a bunch of mates who want to follow him scrumping in the property magic money tree orchard. AEPG is a front that holds the operating company taken over from the Agricultural Society. AEPG has only got one director and assets of £1 according to Companies House. The operating company now only has two directors, Butterfield and a mate who is apparently the new CEO. The rest of the people who appear on the web page of AEPG are the groups, consultants and finance people who have put this dreadful application together. The money for the first part, while they wait for the cash flood to start once Phase One is built, comes from one of these so called partners in the form of a mortgage, thought to be somewhere around 400m -ish. Because the planning system is normally all a forgone conclusion, the mortgage would have been quite a reasonable bet when the package was put together so if the house of cards collapses, somebody is going to be in deep dodoo for a very long time. That said, and with that threat looming, the normal outcome is that we will see things getting very dirty. So even if we win this time, there will be a huge incentive to return using every trick in the planning play-book and the making money play-book, so be prepared. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, OldNutter said: Just losing this application(s) will not settle this. If this application fails, they will have two options, they can appeal to the Secretary of State to overrule the council or they can opt to make some changes and hit the go button again, or both. Butterfield seems to be essentially a one-man-band who has managed some of those "health" clubs we are looking to get if he wins. with a convincing manner and not a lot else, other than a bunch of mates who want to follow him scrumping in the property magic money tree orchard. AEPG is a front that holds the operating company taken over from the Agricultural Society. AEPG has only got one director and assets of £1 according to Companies House. The operating company now only has two directors, Butterfield and a mate who is apparently the new CEO. The rest of the people who appear on the web page of AEPG are the groups, consultants and finance people who have put this dreadful application together. The money for the first part, while they wait for the cash flood to start once Phase One is built, comes from one of these so called partners in the form of a mortgage, thought to be somewhere around 400m -ish. Because the planning system is normally all a forgone conclusion, the mortgage would have been quite a reasonable bet when the package was put together so if the house of cards collapses, somebody is going to be in deep dodoo for a very long time. That said, and with that threat looming, the normal outcome is that we will see things getting very dirty. So even if we win this time, there will be a huge incentive to return using every trick in the planning play-book and the making money play-book, so be prepared. Indeed my local councillor said that it will go through on the nod, which most such proposals no doubt do; and you can see from much of the PR that the preparatory work has gone on behind the scenes and the planning committee would be expected to just tick a box. However, they don't usually get significant objections, bad publicity and close scrutiny of process and decision making. AEPG certainly don't want that and PCC certainly don't want to justify losing Peterborough Speedway to the city for some future development that will allegedly provide a community facility of greater value, serving more of the community for more of the time (they could make a complex used 365 days of the year incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the Arena, so not viable through lack of use is a weak argument) which provides improved services and facilities for a diverse proportion of the community. It's important to keep the pressure on and not give them all that easy ride due to apathy. Edited September 11, 2023 by Crump99 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) Great news we’ve smashed through 700 we now have 707 objections keep it going folks. I want 1000. For context the new football stadium was shelved with 6 (SIX) objections. Edited September 11, 2023 by Mick Bratley 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Crump99 said: Indeed my local councillor said that it will go through on the nod, which most such proposals no doubt do; and you can see from much of the PR that the preparatory work has gone on behind the scenes and the planning committee would be expected to just tick a box. However, they don't usually get significant objections, bad publicity and close scrutiny of process and decision making. AEPG certainly don't want that and PCC certainly don't want to justify losing Peterborough Speedway to the city for some future development that will allegedly provide a community facility of greater value, serving more of the community for more of the time (they could make a complex used 365 days of the year incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the Arena, so not viable through lack of use is a weak argument) which provides improved services and facilities for a diverse proportion of the community. It's important to keep the pressure on and not give them all that easy ride due to apathy. All the PCC councillors should have been invited last Thursday or tonight or against Lynn whenever it's raced 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) Starting to think Busters been paid off, shocking attitude towards the effort trying to save the sport in the town. Edited September 11, 2023 by JoeW436 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: Starting to think Busters been paid off, shocking attitude towards the effort trying to save the sport in the town. Inspiring words there from buster. Basically, don’t bother trying as the club is finished. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sully said: Inspiring words there from buster. Basically, don’t bother trying as the club is finished. What a clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaxley panther Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 The only time we have heard of the guy in recent weeks , we will wait to hear of an official statement maybe the showground owners just want us out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Flappy said: What a clown What’s he said ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, Haza said: What’s he said ? Essentially not to bother fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Looks like Buster has given up the fight ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, Normski said: Looks like Buster has given up the fight ffs What have you heard and where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Haza said: What’s he said ? Peterborough vs Kings Lynn will be on Thursday 14th September. "No speedway at the showground next year" - announcement from Buster. Farewell meeting is on Sunday 24th September potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Why would the agents not let the track out for rental income? Nothing is going to be built for many years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, TINYS said: What have you heard and where. Peterborough vs Kings Lynn will be on Thursday 14th September. "No speedway at the showground next year" - announcement from Buster. Farewell meeting is on Sunday 24th September potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, Normski said: Peterborough vs Kings Lynn will be on Thursday 14th September. "No speedway at the showground next year" - announcement from Buster. Farewell meeting is on Sunday 24th September potentially. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Normski said: Looks like Buster has given up the fight ffs Did he ever start it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Buster really does need a smack. Mick Bratley is fighting for the club non stop on all social media platforms yet Buster isn't bothering to try at all. Buster doesn't want us to survive and that's why he didn't accept Ged's offer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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