How a one league system could work for 2027 onwards

[Falcon1983]

6 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Superb response.

Thoroughly shows up all the flaws.      Like you say, a good effort, but fatally flawed in many areas.

The biggest flaw is there wouldn't be enough riders available for 14 seven man teams, so it falls down right there without the rest.  AI just doesn't understand enough about speedway.

Just for your info

AI only helped put the ideas into text format not asked it to create any ideas

[The White Knight]

15 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

I agree.   Top marks for wanting to make an effort to solve the problems, but sadly zero out of ten for execution.   I'm afraid it's all a terrible contradictory nonsense.

It would take too long to show everything that is wrong, but just to highlight some points:

1.   OK, you want 1 league  (we'll come back to the problems with that).  But then you want just 8 teams in the KO Cup.   So what do the other 6 teams do for those 2 months?  That doesn't work.

2.  You want a 42-point CL level for 14 teams.   What's your calculation for this?   The CL limit was 40 with just 9 teams.  It would have to be much lower than this to staff 14 teams (even if there were enough riders available... which there aren't).        You want a "GP or top-level rider at every team".  So that's a Monday/Thursday league?   Even then, where are you getting 14 GP or top riders from?   And how do you fit all the fixtures in on Monday/Thursday only?  No chance.

3.  You seem to want a 16-heat format, with 3 nominated races.  OK.   But what about the other 13 heats?   You say who you'd like riders to be paired with, but it just doesn't work.   It's mathematically impossible.  Are you wanting them riding against the same rider every time?  It just doesn't work in any way.   If you think you can make it work, please provide the heat-by-heat race format.   (You can't because it doesn't work).     -   Then we have one point for a win and one point for a draw.   Well, obviously that doesn't work, but it's ideal if you're trying to encourage race-fixing!  

4.  Well, we haven't got a workable race-format.    But let's just assume you have everyone racing the same rider every race.  Your GP stars would see their averages brought down to around 6-7.    The best reserve would gain an average of around 8 -9 points.   I'm sure you see all the problems with riding positions and bringing in injury replacement riders after the first green sheets.

5.  Now, you're asking for a 7-days-a-week league instead.   So if you're not sticking to the Monday/Thursday league with "top stars", you have just made about 25 "top star" riders unavailable.  You now have no chance of filling 14 teams.   (You talk about R/R, but this no longer works with your impossible race format, so you need a rethink on that too).

6.  No disrespect to Connor King, Arran Butcher, Jack Kingston and Kai Ward, but your teams are an uneven joke.    And you've only listed 4 "Example teams".   Presumably this is because you have realised that it's impossible to fill 14 teams with a 42 point CL limit.   (In fact it's impossible to fill 14 teams at all, as it would need 98 riders, and there aren't that many available).

 7.  A G.P. style British Championship would be a nice idea, but not economically viable without a big sponsor.  A British Championship would need Bewley, Lambert, Woffinden etc, but they wouldn't commit to more than a one-off British Final  (But it is the least impossible of your 7 items).

 

You, of course, are entitled to your view. You also are entitled to point out the counter arguments. The only criticism that I have of your Post is that some of your wording seems very uncharitable to someone who has tried to do some things differently. I certainly could not have come up with something like that. Who knows that someone may look at this and come up with a system that would work. At least he has offered something, you and I have come up with nothing.

I believe that Falcon1983 should be applauded, not vilified.

[Falcon1983]

27 minutes ago, The White Knight said:

You, of course, are entitled to your view. You also are entitled to point out the counter arguments. The only criticism that I have of your Post is that some of your wording seems very uncharitable to someone who has tried to do some things differently. I certainly could not have come up with something like that. Who knows that someone may look at this and come up with a system that would work. At least he has offered something, you and I have come up with nothing.

I believe that Falcon1983 should be applauded, not vilified.

Let people react how they like mate, its a forum so always going to have people offer something else or not like a suggested.

I have answered back on some key points especially with not having enough riders but thats why my system works

Its a 7 man team but its like two sides in one, a main team and a development one 

But let it be shot down if needs be, i used to be a promotor, not in speedway but in another sport and pioneered some big changes in that sport so i have a little knowledge tho not a speedway product 

[Falcon1983]

33 minutes ago, The White Knight said:

You, of course, are entitled to your view. You also are entitled to point out the counter arguments. The only criticism that I have of your Post is that some of your wording seems very uncharitable to someone who has tried to do 2 things differently. I certainly could not have come up with something like that. Who knows that someone may look at this and come up with a system that would work. At least he has offered something, you and I have come up with nothing.

I believe that Falcon1983 should be applauded, not vilified.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Falcon1983
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[RoundTheBoards]

17 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

Top marks for effort (asking AI to create it), but this is probably the single worst set of ideas I've seen 

16 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

Top marks for wanting to make an effort to solve the problems, but sadly zero out of ten for execution. 

3 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Like you say, a good effort, but fatally flawed in many areas.

27 minutes ago, The White Knight said:

The only criticism that I have of your Post is that some of your wording seems very uncharitable to someone who has tried to do some things differently.

If you look at all the responses, (some samples above), most, including me, have applauded the effort of trying to come up with something new,  even though we have then pointed out that it is flawed and unworkable. 

[PersonalResponsibility]

The inherent flaw - in my opinion - is not the unworkable system, nor is it expecting 14 "top level" riders to keep their diary free to ride with Arran Butcher and Jack Smith, it's the reworking of the format.

15 heats, 4 riders, 4 laps. 3-2-1-0. 60 seconds. It is the most straightforward format you could ever wish for. The format is probably one of the very few things that (British) speedway has going for it. It doesn't need to be replaced with a three stage act.

If this league structure came into play, I'd immediately make my racenight a Sunday, sign the best of those not riding in Poland, and then watch mercilessly as team after team turned up with R/R and 5 NDL riders.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by PersonalResponsibility

[RoundTheBoards]

10 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

If this league structure came into play, I'd immediately make my racenight a Sunday, sign the best of those not riding in Poland, and then watch mercilessly as team after team turned up with R/R and 5 NDL riders.

Unfortunately your crowd wouldn't turn up either!  .     We all know that to include riders who also have contracts abroad, you can only have a Monday and Thursday league.  The alternative of an "any day" league has to be without those with foreign contracts.    Anyone in denial of those facts is starting from an impossible position.