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    I agree with grachan - no need to hide it. If you think we should hide everything that has errors and inaccuracies, then we wouldn't have ANY historical speedway sites! Or books for that matter...

     

    Unfortunately, when dealing with historical matters, it's not always easy to find information, and sometimes mistakes will creep in. There are often discrepancies with the fantastic Speedway Researcher website, and the same with the proboards database, and even my own In Memoriam website - despite many hours of research - is not safe from incorrect information. All we can do is the best we can, and hope that any errors are brought to our attention.

     

    Steve

    I'm not sure how much of it has been copied from our site (the proboards one) but in indexing our riders I ironed out the errors and realised that at least some of the rider records have been taken straight from us.

     

    I haven't gone through much of the Edinburgh site myself, but did notice one section of results carries a picture of the programme...and that the majority of the results printed in line with them are either wrong, or a year out. Someone else pointed out Erik Gundersen is misspelled in one records heat details but not scorecard which suggests they were taken from different sources.

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    Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

    Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

    Thanks for that, Tsunami. I knew about the SVEMO agreement, but not the DMU one. So what's in it for us? What do British riders get in return for these agreements?

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    Quite agree. Often there is an agreement when there is a problem so the sheet is signed. Just think if you are having home meetings rained off, but still riding the away meetings. You have no income but large outgoings. You can make an agreement to say catch up paying one meeting extra each week until you catch up. It just needs a bit of trust. In another case, if you have a foreign rider in say U19 or U21 and doing well. In the agreement with the DMU you have to pay the rider a fixed sum for each round, even though they may have already returned home for a home meeting, very unfair. If that rider is very successful he has many rounds and the amount builds up. In that case you can continue to pay him his usual wages, but come to an agreement to catch up by or at the end of the season. In this case the rider has often not paid out anything like the fixed payment he is entitled to, so there is no real hardship. Of course for all the deals you can do, there has to be complete trust between rider and promoter.

    I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying a British team has to pay a Danish rider for his performance in (presumably World U21s or is it just the National Championships?) I shall probably have further questions depending on your answer to this, so be prepared. :P

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    So today's the day the teddy bears have thier picnick. Can't wait to see if it actually happens this time. How many times have they promissed an outcome.

    Lost count. We can ill afford to any more clubs. At any level of the sport, even more so the like of a team like the Bees. Thay have been buzzing around forever. Lets hope today produces so very good honey. If not honey some sweet words would go a long way to making a lot of fans happy.

    To be fair they haven't promised a statement, just said they're having a meeting. :)

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    When Glasgow closed in 1995 and Edinburgh moved to Shawfield as the Scottish Monarchs, neither sets of fans supported them, as Glasgow saw them as "Edinburgh", and Edinburgh weren't at home. When Wimbledon merged with Eastbourne in 91? When Hackney closed and us fans followed Terry Russell to Arena? It just wasn't "home".

     

    Riders come and go, but to lose your club, your home, the atmosphere, your spot you stand in each week, your routines, the guy you say hi to at the turnstiles every week, the history... it's a huge blow. I'm not sure those who are saying you can just move down the road fully understand. Sure, it may be "the Coventry line-up" in a different venue, but it won't be "Coventry", even if that arrangement IS on the table.

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  16. Posted · Edited by June01

    When I was a child I would always get my pocket money on a Friday before going to Hackney, and would spend it on a Kestrel News. You never knew where Bryn would appear with that brown money belt of his, but I'd always track him down, keen to see which colour it had been printed in that week and read the news on the riders. I even caught him just as he was coming out of the toilets once! But he was always kind to me.

     

    Some 20 years later I realised the Bryn on here and the guy I knew were the same person and mentioned it to him, and was surprised to find he remembered me too (probably as that bloody kid that wouldn't even let him pee in peace!)

     

    I'm sorry to hear of his passing.

  18. Posted · Edited by June01

    In cases where I've applied logic to a substitute I've always gone with the assumption that a team manager wouldn't waste a tactical ride where a reserve rider was used as a replacement, and would declare it a reserve substitution.

     

    Looking at that meeting afresh I would also have deduced the reserves were used for the injured McKinna, and so the tactical ride was given to Beaton. That's IF I applied logic to that particular meeting. I can only remember (and confirm) that I haven't seen an original programme for that particular meeting, but, like you, I may well have posted asking for information.

     

    Sorry I can't be more help than that. Hopefully someone will have a definitive answer and be able to put us both out of our misery. :D

  19. Posted · Edited by June01

    Newcastle v Glasgow source would have been the SS with some cross referencing from other sources having worked out the heat details myself, I believe.

     

    I don't use one single source, or I would quote it or give credit to the originator. I collate as many sources as I can find then work over any discrepancies.

     

    Edit: Ah, I see where you're going here - my notes? Just checked your own result for that date and you have the subs the other way around. I can't actually remember specifically which sites I cross referenced for that particular meeting, but the original source would have been the SS. Is it possible there was mention of that heat in the meeting write up?

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    Surely, this is one of the primary functions of BSPA's National Speedway Academy based at the Belle Vue Arena?

     

    In cycling, we used to have taster sessions and junior leagues. The promising youngsters would be taken into the Talent Team and mentored and guided accordingly.

     

    I feel sure that the National Speedway Academy will be operating a comparable system.

    :t:

    You tell me. Have spent 20 minutes Googling and can only see articles that said academy exists. Nothing on how to join in, prices, times, or any other details you'd expect. Even the BSPA's website doesn't have a "get involved" tab with such information.

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    We need to look at what the Polish, Danish & Swedish Leagues are doing to make British Speedway easier to understand. I have many friends that talk to me about speedway but I find it hard to get them down to watch it.

     

    I'd suggest that's exactly how the promoters came up with their current ideas. Promotion/relegation is already used in Sweden and Poland, although teams do still pick and chose whether they want to be promoted. Riders like AJ double up in two leagues in Sweden. Now if we could only copy the Danish league's progression scheme where they offer track days and the use of a bike to get youngsters interested in the sport, we might be a goer.

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