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  1. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

    LOL of course it’ll have been a lucky punt if he scores your “5 to 7 at most” because he hasn’t hit that low a figure in his last 7 visits there over the last two years! Those are simply statistical facts. Now put your fishing rod away there’s a good lad. 

    This is final ..  .. and its based on this meeting nor what he done in other  meetings  not hard to follow   .. so as i said it wont be lucky  guess  if aim right its based on logic . All your trying to do is to cover yourself because your scared of  being wrong ..

    Now be a good lad  find your balls and stick  to your opinion .

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  4. Posted

    41 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

    Of course there’s a chance Harris has a stinker but all that will prove is Orion got very lucky with his prediction. Over the last two season’s, Harris’ scores at Foxhall have been 11+1, 9+1, 14+1, 14+1, 8+1, 12+2 and 10+3 so there’s absolutely nothing in the recent past to suggest Harris will score “between 5 and 7 at best”. I hope he’s right though!!

    Don't be a wimp and try to cover yourself in case your wrong  .  . Nothing lucky if im right he's against tough oppo in all his heats in a final no matter what his foxhall record is . He wont have to have  a stinker to score  7 it would be what i  would expect .  Heats 13 and 15 will be Gp standard with people giving 100 % 

    One thing for sure if im wrong are come back and admit it  i wont need to  cover myself or make excuses .  

     

     

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  6. Posted

    1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

     

    I understand your point, but Smith can only guest against Belle Vue because they've deemed him not good enough to ride for them?

    He's surplus to requirements as Belle Vue (correctly) believe Bailey to be stronger, so on theory shouldn't scire any points, if they lost out - need to blame themselves for not riding well enough, that's my view anyway.

    Spot on

     

  8. Posted

    5 minutes ago, mikebv said:

    I would suggest it has quite a lot do with the way the sport is, and has been, ran..

    Ice Hockey crowds as an example of a "small sport", averaged over 3100 a match last season.. 

    Sheffield almost 7000.. 

    A similar 3100 average crowd for Speedway and each meeting would generate £65k to £70k or so...

    If landlords had been getting £20k a night in rent, say 20 times a year, then I would suggest a lot more would have kept the sport at their venue..

    As many mention on here, a lot of fans now go simply to watch the racing, rather than bother about the result too much, as, win or lose, you cannot help come away feeling many events are contrived in either a small way, or unfortunately at times, a much bigger way...

    Big sponsors too will never be engaged to join in if one of their riders are allowed to help a business rival"s team try to win the title, and, at the same time, reduce his own teams chances..

    The play offs get "decent crowds" as so many "Speedway Fans" come out of the woodwork to watch them, however, many of these fans who will attend the play offs, wont regularly attend the weekly meetings at their local track, due to that unavoidable feeling that lots of those meetings do, more times than they should, feel "a bit Mickey Mouse"...

    The big positive though, which should be taken on board, is that the sport can still attract "decent crowds", on these occasions...

    They just need to find a way to get these people there more regularly.. 

    And "if" the operating model is part of the problem, then a) find out the truth of if it is or not, and b) if so, change it..

     

    Crowds were massive in the old days but that never stop clubs like Leicester Cradley and many others being knock down for redevelopment.  .Swindon were one of best supported teams in the league but were still kick out so they try to build on the site .Rent is chicken feed to what you can make by building houses 

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  12. Posted

    56 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

    Just another ridiculous speedway situation. A rider who’s team has qualified for the play offs cannot guest for another team in the playoffs, so that the sport doesn’t look like Micky mouse when in theory the biggest tv audience will be watching. However a rider from a team that hasn’t qualified for the play offs can ride for more than one team in the playoffs. The situation with Harris is madness!!

    Harris plays a huge part in Ipswich qualifying for the final & will now ride against them.

    It would have made the sport look better to suspend the 8 day rule & allow Lawson to ride in the final at least it would have provided some consistency & any newbies watching wouldn’t be exposed to the crazy world of uk speedway.

    It's just so funny..As newbies would know the rules or care or know who Chris Harris  You got to laugh at the ott drama of people 

     

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  14. Posted

    9 minutes ago, mikebv said:

    Sometimes it is probably best that the sport gets hardly any mainstream coverage...

    And you can add Jack Smith riding against his parent club, and ultimately making a key difference  for a team who he doesnt ride for, to the  mix...:D

    As for Guests, a proper RR facility would cover a No1. The next two riders could take all his rides and still do their own and Ht 15.. Years ago a No1 scored a large % of the teams points, particularly in the 13 Ht era, meaning they were a big miss,  now it is more shared around the team so less differential between HL's.. 

    Still, we get to another season end, and this year two more have gone by the way side...

    Same old, same old, rinse and repeat...

    Works so well doesnt it? 

    What have two teams going got to anything ? the reason they are  going have little to do with speedway rules .

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  15. Posted · Edited by orion

    21 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

    Its difficult to compare different sports, stock cars for example have the best fastest drivers starting from the rear of the grid, something speedway dabbled with in the sixties handicapping the top riders. Throughout the sports history there have always been cinderella clubs who were never going to be contending. Things like the guest rule most people are critical of it, but if a club loses a number one how else do they replace that scoring power? Fans will always have different opinions about certain aspects of the sport. We could do with some injection of positivity like the return of clubs like Swindon, Coventry, and hopefully Wolves can return.

    Some fair points .. Guests are never perfect but i never seen anyone come up with better way that covers fairness and also make sure people go to watch the match still . i try to defend the powers that  be as  i understand how hard it is to get the balance right  

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  16. Posted

    1 hour ago, Hawk127 said:

    You could not make it up with all that has/is going on with regard to the oppositions riders and to add insult, Ipswich race on an off night to no doubt accommodate Sheffield who have limited nights available to race and so priority over race nights is conceded. One rule next year should include available nights to race and if the stadium owners consider that they can earn more money from other activities then the club has to have a question mark against it competing in the top league. At the end of the day it is a Mickey Mouse end of season competition and the real winners are Belle Vue who finished top and are league champions and Ipswich who won the cup, this end of season race off debacle are a series irrelevant fixture fillers. 

    Sheff finished above ippo so would have choice of race nights .. so you could make it up as you just have lol . People who don't understand play offs tend to be oap's who have no understanding of modern sport and  or have any idea of the money side of the sport as your last line clearly shows .

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  17. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Gavan said:

    Chris Harris was involved in the play offs though or did you miss that

    Lidsey rode against Ipswich in the semi final ....his team are out yet he cant ride in the final

    Harris rode FOR Ipswich in the semi final.....yet can ride against them in the final

    Try reading it aloud and hearing how crazy that is 

    No need for drama..the rule is pretty simple.Teams can use guests that are not involved in the offs. already explained why that is. so no I did not miss anything.

  19. Posted

    13 minutes ago, 89buttons said:

    It’s common sense that if you can’t use guests from another team in the playoffs then once you’ve guested for team in the playoffs you can’t then guest bud or another. Similarly it would make sense for this to supersede the 8 day rule meaning Lawson could ride for Sheffield in both the semi and final for example.

    Why is it not common sense. . The rule is pretty clear.you can use riders not involved in the play offs as guests.. 

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  20. Posted

    4 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

    I totally understand all the pros and cons, but as the regular league matches are run with crowds far less than the play off meetings it could be a case of what you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabouts, unless you dont make the play offs so dont have those two or four beneficial meetings at the end of the season. I think i get the gist that football is awash with money but eventually that will create its own problems as we saw with the fans revolt that scuppered the super league, that will eventually come in by way of the restructure of the champions league, which many fans groups are against. Football is now a business more than a sport except for the lower levels where the money is more scarce. Ice hockey is another sport that decides its champons by the way of play offs but also recognises the efforts of the table toppers too. Whatever the format there are always going to be teams with nothing to play for and their seasons will be over half way through, Kings Lynn suffered this year no doubt so will the Luton Towns. The sad fact is clubs continue to fall by the wayside in alarming numbers, we really need to attract those non speedway fans, first we need a sport that is credible, so much of the sport isnt any more when you throw in other aspects not least making the rules up as you go along. 

    Under your format more teams would have less to play for..that's just common sense.People cry to much about the rules and the  effect it has .Polish speedway is packed with fans and money etc.but some of rules like lucky loser are Mickley Mouse.omThen other sports like Gp .That has the best driver in the fastest car having a head start over slowly cars with Worst drivers..You can picks holes in any sport if you wanted to..Cricket has a review system that can show you are out but your still not  given out . It's easy to do. If the UK had its own staduims and top riders it would be packed each week and no one would  care get if Chris Harris was guesting for Sheff in the final.

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  22. Posted

    52 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

    Yes the one achieved in 2019 that the regs state is no longer valid as it is too old and so he was given a new assessed average - albeit that they then attached the very same figure from 2019!!

    A direct contradiction - it's either relevant and suitable or it's not...... The reasoning also relies on what is NOT written in the regs rather than what IS. A bizarre approach to take!

    There in lies the basic problem. The reassessment should have reflected the true up to date ability (shown in his GP performance and play off appearances last season for example)

    Even now he COULD have an official average from 2023. Although the ideal is to use the first 3 home and 3 away meeting there is provision to attach an official figure without riding those 'minimums'

    Given Lambert has ridden a total of 6 (2 home 4 away) those results would give a fairer reflection and COULD be used

     

    It's amazing 

     

    47 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

    https://x.com/socialspeedway/status/1707756017310638314?s=46
     

    Just about sums it up really. 

    Not really..I expect  you  go back into any season in speedway and put that sort of thing up.if you wanted to. Or you  could  say he  changed clubs once and was guest for two teams in the play offs. But of course that's  not so dramatic 

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  23. Posted

    1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

    They had a choice to use Lambert - on a ridiculously low assessed average and unavailable in terms of how the guest rule has always been interpreted OR if he was awarded a true figure

    They had a choice to use Harris who has already ridden in the play offs 

    No point in anymore debate about either really

    I will likely be I the minority but I will again choose not to part with my cash to see this as it doesn't meet the principles I expect 

    Enjoy yourself :t:

     

    Made up principles in your case...

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