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  1. Yes...you are different to the norm. Because you promote with care and thought for your fans. And you provide entertainment and interaction. Even when your team is struggling to win...if the entertainment is right, and everyone feels part of the Club, fans will respond in a positive manner. Orions remarks about fans turning up only if you win is true to a certain extent in the current climate. However...if promoted well, and racing was good week in and week out, and fans felt part of the Club, and they were entertained weekly and the promoters didn't rest on their laurels, then fans will support...regardless.
  2. Somerset 2018

    I acknowledged it wasn't a new thing. It shot itself in the foot from day one imo. Back in the good old days it worked, as times were so different to today. It doesn't feel different now...it is different. Speedway from day one, should have decided to be either an individual or team sport...not both. If it were Individual...riders could race for prize money and do as they do now with their bikes and equipment and tuning. If we had gone Team/Club only, and run the sport as a normal Sports Club does, we would have standardised equipment from day one. Riders wouldn't have got used to having their own machines and everything that entails. They would have got used to slinging their leg over a 'standardised' bike, and thinking nothing wrong with that...and just getting on with it and racing. Everything would have been different...the sport run completely differently to how it is. The void between 'Individual' and 'Team' is becoming wider by the year. One of the most stupid ideas, was to create teams with riders who provide and maintain their own equipment. Imagine racing Ferrari in F1 or Racing for Honda in road racing, and taking your car or bike home yourself to maintain...which is what speedway does. How can you be a team/Club and rely on each individual in your team to maintain their own equipment when representing you? Madness...yet this is what speedway does and has always done. If we had gone down the team only route, I'm sure the thinking would have been different, and Club owners would have invested in their own tracks and facilities, instead of many sticking them around other grounds. Investment would have been better, and they would have had more control over their own destiny. Speedway is like the Magpie of sports...it begs, borrows and steals to survive. Tracks like we have at Belle Vue, should have been the norm for all City's and Clubs. Think about it...instead of thinking 'it's always been like this'...because it's always been like it, doesn't make it right.
  3. The people who do care...have stopped going to watch speedway. You have been left with a minority. More people have left, than watch. Speedway has slowly strangled itself. You can only have one winner in a league...and generally like Swindon last season, when doing well, crowds go up. You then have the majority of the rest of the league where crowds average out. Towards the bottom they may even go lower than average. True...all sports have 'glory hunters'...but in general people want to be entertained and enjoy good close racing. As Deanmachine said in a previous post...most fans wouldn't know whether the riders were on standardised equipment or not. And when you say 'best riders'...are they really? So much of todays riding is reliant on good and fast equipment. Stick many 'middle order riders on the best equipment and you would see some differences. Many riders are of similar ability...the quality of tuning and set up and equipment helps some rise to the top. Others don't have that opportunity. Put every rider on standardised equipment, and you will find the 'best riders' right now, may not be what you think they are.
  4. Somerset 2018

    With respect...my post wasn't pointed at you, rather what was said in the post. It was almost a comment without thought. Something that we've got accustomed too. Yes...you are right, it's not a new phenomenom, but as I suggested in my post...it doesn't make it right. Speedway shot itself in the foot many moons ago, by making it a sport that was both Individual and Team. Imo...it would be a bigger success nowadays, if it had chosen to be one or the other back in the day. Strangely it felt like it was more team biased in the past. Now, it definitely feels it's about Individuals. Preferably it would have been great if we had British World team Champions rather than Individual world champions imo. But...it won't change, and imo, will go further away from 'Team' glory in the future. Personally I can't get excited about following an individual speedway rider...I however can get excited into following a team of riders that represent either my area or Country.
  5. Somerset 2018

    This quote intrigues me, as it imo, proves what is wrong with Speedway. When you say 'better his career'...how so? Individually or as a team rider? What are speedway riders...individuals looking out for their individual glory, or team riders wanting to be the best rider they can for a team? For me...this is the biggest problem in speedway. How many riders early in their career, focus on being the best team rider for a Club? Or do they dream of individual glory, and doing their utmost to use teams and clubs, to further their career in Individual pursuits like the GP's. It's confused thinking, and tantamount to the downturn in Club speedway over the years imo...which after all is what most fans watch weekly. I personally wish Speedway never ever had Individual world Finals or the GP series. I'd prefer World team Cup finals and Test match series. The focus in speedway is too much on individuals rather than teams imo. It's all about teams and Clubs for me...either International or domestic.
  6. How refreshing to see a Promoter take time to come on here and make comments. I've watched IOW from afar and have always been impressed with their commitment and ethos. It just goes to show, you can follow your team, have a great night out, feel part of the club and involved, without it being the 'top riders' in the sport. I'd be happy to follow such a team and set up if it were local to me. We've lost our focus and direction...it's not all about having the 'GP type' riders at your club and all the costs and problems that brings. Great...he's got fast bikes and expensive gear...and can go 4 seconds faster around the track...big deal. I and many other fans would rather watch four riders of equal ability on lesser equipment, racing week in week out...and if they have other jobs like the rest of us to get by...so be it. Fantastic...we can relate.
  7. Fans and riders not singing off the same hymn sheet. Fans want teams...Riders want to be 'Individuals' Fans want continuity...not team changes every season. Costs to run the sport too high...riders wages, maintenance, track prep etc Facilities poor compared to other sports of similar entrance fee. Overpriced and poor quality food and beverages. Way too many rain offs. Never found a way to run a meeting in the rain or facilitate covers. Poor standard of entertainment before and between heats. Ever increasing priority on having to make the start. Not enough passing or strung out races. Ok in the past, but far more entertainment choices out there for the public these days. Bikes not compatible with many British tracks. Has become sanitised...sound, smell and sight all less than before. Viewing the 'action' in the pits should be visable to all fans. BSPA run like an amateur organisation. Should have a independent body. Riders and Promoters delusional...trying to run and impersonate a high end motorcycle sport, on a garden shed income. Speedway should have gone 'standardised' many years ago...instead of letting costs spiral on the never ending pursuit by riders to create a faster bike to the point of breaking.
  8. Team Combined Average Limit...

    Yes...I have considered why certain people can illustrate with examples...basically they are the 'pedants' of the forum. People who only see one point of the argument, who cannot see the whole picture and refuse to see the reason for the thread and it's other points. Whilst purely statistically, you can come to a figure...but that figure doesn't mean it's for the good of Speedway. The problem with people who enjoy statistics is they are often blinkered and can't/won't see past those numbers. It's an aggressive sport for ruthless men on bikes with no breaks, racing to the limit...A sport that has the same type of following as most team sports in this country. If you think Speedway in this day and age will attract new fans because of it's attractiveness for filling in programmes and working out stat's, then IMO...you are completely deluded, and out of touch with modern society in this country. I've taken various newbies to the speedway. They've all enjoyed the actual racing...but all commented on how funny it was, watching a bunch of old men, with heads like pigeons bobbing up and down in their programmes instantly after the end of a heat. None of them found that a draw to the meeting...just something comical and in fact a turn off. Imo...the 'programme and it's filling in' during a meeting, has been part of the downfall to speedways unpopularity. Whilst past generations might have enjoyed it, I don't think the younger generation do. It's enabled Promotors to be lazy in how they present a meeting....no reason to 'entertain' between heats, just let the public read their programmes and fill them in. Imo...the infatuation with stats in team building by the BSPA, and the way it's done, and it's reasons, pretty much destroys continuity with riders at teams each season. Whether 'statistically' it is correct...is by the by...it is wrong in so many ways for the good of speedway and what fans want from a team. In the same way...the same for programme filling in by the public. Something that speedway has done over the years...but is it right for Speedway now? Older generations used to sit at County cricket games filling in score books. County games have similar crowds to speedway. Cricket...a game of stats...saw the need to move on and modernise. 50-50, 20-20...entertainment and razzmatazz...and scoreboards showing you all you need to know. People watching the game, being entertained...not doing something they could be doing in their own homes. Sat filling in books. For all the reasons mentioned in this post...that's why I think the team building average should be higher...not purely down to pure maths.
  9. Team Combined Average Limit...

    The usual post by those missing the point completely...always thinking they are right...saying people don't understand, when they do....and can't except, and refuse to except others may have a different opinion...just because they think they are right and everyone has to agree with them. Same old, same old...you can illustrate all you want with past examples. Perhaps take your head out from your stats, take a deep breath, and think maybe over all these years, it's this infatuation with stats and averages, that has contributed to the downfall of speedway over the years. Just maybe...something so ingrained is hard to remove for some people.
  10. Team Combined Average Limit...

    Perhaps a 'logical monitor' should be introduced instead...as imo, it is this fixation with 'statistics' that has ruined Speedway over the years. Rules, amount of rides, amount of races, amount of points awarded etc, etc have changed frequently over the years, as do the average limits. It's a complete joke, and has had a negative effect on the sport for many. Speedway should be about the racing and continuity of riders at a club. Fans getting accustomed to that team and feeling affiliated to them. It isn't. The sport is fixated with stats...it has become so dominant in the sport that it has had a negative effect. It feels more like Trainspotters convention mixed with Countdown ;-) Whilst everyone can sit around with their calculators, working out averages, coming to whatever we think it should be....perhaps we should get our heads out of these stats, stop being so pedantic and get the sport back to what it should be all about.
  11. Team Combined Average Limit...

    I fully understand how averages are made up. However...I see it from not just a statistical stance. A team put together with a combined average of 40.9, would mean that they would be no where near the realistic strength to draw, let alone win a meeting...45, 46 points being the minimum required. If you were to take the combined average of the top four teams each season, it would give every team a fighting chance to strengthen, and for those that made the top four, a good chance of keeping the riders they already have and some continuity for the fans. The latter being the most important part for me. The way the averages are combined every year, make it hard for teams to keep together...no continuity. All they encourage is teams to be torn apart each season...which imo, is one of the reasons fans struggle to keep interested in going.
  12. ....Can someone explain to me how the BSPA decide on the limit each year. Imo...it should be set at 45.00 The points needed to draw a meeting. I totalled up the final issue averages of the top 4 sides from last season. Combined they averaged 45.18 Seems logical to me.
  13. Peter Collins Article

    lol...yes, I've been in the pits during meetings, both in the past and recently. I wouldn't expect ex riders to go bending present riders ears, but would expect present riders, to seek out as much advice as possible from ex riders. Whilst bikes and tracks may not be the same, a lot can still be learnt from riders of the past imo. I coach in another sport, and tell all my youngsters to listen to what ex pro's have to say.
  14. Peter Collins Article

    I think it would be a good idea if promoters of all Clubs, allowed ex riders in for free. How many ex riders actually go and pay these days? It's not like all the tracks are rammed to the rafters and there is no space for them. For the paying public, how great to see ex riders and have a chat with them. Surely it's a pull to know favourite ex riders could be in attendance. Wouldn't present riders want to bend their ear and get tips and guidance as well? I'd get it, if Speedway was like football, with thousands attending each week...but it's not. So why not open the gates to ex riders for free? What harm would it do? Are the promotion going to lose revenue in what they were expecting? Get em on the centre green for an interview, get them in the clubhouse etc. If it meant ex riders would attend....do it. The paying public love meeting and chatting to ex riders.
  15. Woah their cowboy...don't let one frustrated rant by the promoter make you think Somerset is badly run...far from it. It's still a great racing track, run well and with passion. I get the impression that the move up has been frustrating...not just for fans but the promotion as well. Little Somerset has no say in any matters of importance is the message I'm getting. You can have all the passion in the world for a sport, but once the politics gets a hols, it can kill any passion and frustrate the hell out of you. Been there in another sport. I'd completely understand if they dropped down or even walked away.
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