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Doyle didn't change lines and he didn't slow either. Time to head to specsavers. As for your football analogy, in football a foul will often earn you a yellow card (although there was no foul in this case), retaliation is a straight red. You're tying yourself in knots.

Torun refused to race the 2nd leg of the play-off final as they were without the injured Gollob. A 17,000 crowd was sent home with no racing and the league title awarded to Zielena Gora (I think it was them).

Little bit of research last night to back up my comments over the mis-management of our reserves. In 2012 at Monmore Green Nicolai Klindt averaged the following from each gate:- Gate 1 4.57 Gate 2 4.80 Gate 3 7.50 Gate 4 8.00 A very considerable difference and in a meeting such as the playoffs where every pt is vital and you effectively have the opportunity with reserves to choose the gate position its staggeringly bad management to get that wrong.

I'm the first to call Poole out, but that would simply be tactically sensible!

Except we didn't play it did we.. To take the cards analogy, if you have a set of 8 cards, 4 of them are very strong in scenarios c & d.. the other 4 are fairly equal, but perhaps a touch stronger in scenarios a & b, where would you play your cards given an equal spread of options.

And the pictures also show that Doyle was never at any point anywhere near Lindgren to be in 'danger'. Of course Harris nosed in front, unfortunately for him, your back wheel has to be able to get past the rider as well without slamming into him

We can argue the Lindgren/Doyle affair all day, but I will say that from a psychological point of view it was a dumb move by Doyle. Birmingham have won the meeting, Wolves are deflated and pretty much ready to wave the white flag given the various injuries they have had tail end of the season. Doyle, in doing that, might have just lit a fire in Lindgren and the rest of the teams belly and made his teams job a whole lot harder in the 2nd leg. It shouldn't make any difference, Birmingham are very very strong favorites, but should Wolves come storming back and Lindgren is dominant, we can look back to Doyle's action as a defining moment.

Dear me, a rider changing line 10 metres ahead of another.. when did this suddenly become 'filthy and dangerous'. Let me know what avoiding action Doyle had to take... by the way the answer is none.. he didn't even have to come off the gas he was so far back. Another who clearly hasn't watched the race more than once. Explain how you are going to get a partner through who is 20 yards behind the guy in 2nd? Explain exactly how Doyle was blocked when he was nowhere close to Lindgren in the first place? If Lindgren had wanted to do any of these things he would have been doing it a hell of a lot earlier and made a much better job of it! I think the reality lies somewhere in the middle on this. The crash actually looked a hell of a lot tamer on tv than it did live. There you could see the speed Bomber was carrying into the corner and there was no way he was going to hold it, even if Niels hadn't cut back he would have wiped him out anyway.. I don't think it was intentionally dirty, but it was wreckless. Basically just a miscalculation.

Nice wind up attempt Nigel. Most Wolves fans post have been fairly tame. I made one about Doyle which I have retracted somewhat having seen the incident again. All the imflamattory posts have come elsewhere about a a supposedly dangerous move from Lindgren that didn't cause a following rider to either change line or shut off. If fact it was about as dangerous as changing lanes on a motorway when well clear of the car behind you. To be fair Steve, that's not the way the Wolves promotion generally goes about their business. Yes it would be advantageous, but then I'd rather not pull a Poole stunt.

Having watched the replays of the incident now rather than just going on live viewing, to be honest, both incidents have been totally overblown. Lindgren was nowhere near Doyle when he slowed, Doyle didn't even have to shut off at any point. The after race collision does look pretty innocuous.

NKI's injury could have settled the tie in more ways than one. The ONLY chance Wolves would have next week would be a fit NKI and Lindgren going through the card and clocking up 29pts between them, leaving 17 needed from the other 5 for a draw on aggregate. If Niels is out, that remote chance looks to have gone also. Brummies should run out comfortable winners but I'll be there to see it.

Who was that 52 year old who beat Miskowiak by 50 yards or so last week. Shame we can't get him in.

I'd almost agreed with you tbf, so didn't think you were being tongue in cheek. Hence me saying his inclusion 'should' have made us no weaker. I didn't know the situation with his bikes at that time however, although no doubt you didn't either.

We'd be better with RR. A cold/trip to Las Vegas usually works. The reality was he should have matched it, however you tried to claim he strengthened us which was totally wrong as he was not prepared for the meeting at all and had to bring in his GP bikes which quite clearly weren't set up for getting out the starts at Monmore. He tried his hardest I'm sure, but his performance was very sub standard for a rider of his ability. This isn't a debate over who someone would have as their No 1, although if you were opening an EL track tomorrow you'd be a bit dumb not to choose a British World Champion (if he wins it) to lead your side if you had the choice! Maybe you should become a promoter after all, you'd fit right in

Agree to an extent, Puk was always going to block that run which is what he did. Bomber should have been wise to the fact it was going to happen though. No malice intended though. What have I said that is biased? One was a racing 'incident' which has been done many many times with no exclusions, the other was an after race assault. Those are the facts.

Putting to one side the Lindgren/Doyle incident for one moment the meeting itself was a hard fought encounter with Birmingham capitilising on a below par display from NKI. Those who said he would make Wolves stronger than Woffinden have been shown to be very very wrong. His performance was the difference between a Wolves win of around 8-10 pts and the 2pt defeat. No excuses, Wolves season finally ended when Tai crashed on Saturday night in reality. Having said that.. when we have such inept team management it doesn't help. Wolves have 2 reserves.. one, Ludvig Lindgren who is much more at home of the inside gates. The other, Nicolai Klindt who at Monmore Green is ONLY of any use of the outside gates. It doesn't matter if Klindt gates of 1 or 2 at the moment, he loses so much speed on the inside he is either passed on the back straight, or riders come alongside him and he throttles off. This was evidenced by his 2 0's from the inside gates (after gating) and 2 wins from the outside gates where he just lets the bike run round the outside and has momentum to pull away on the back straight. Now, pretty much any Wolves fan will know this. So why oh why doesn't the team manager? Klindt and Lindgren should have replaced each other so that Klindt had 4 races starting off 3/4.. Ludvig 4 races starting off 1/2 Both riders going off preferred gates all night long. Its not rocket science. Its basic stuff that could have earned Wolves and extra 3-4 pts over the course of the evening. Secondly.. once again Wolves have served up a track for a big meeting that doesn't suit the home team. I mentioned earlier in this thread, if there was no inside line off 2, Wolves would lose. I was correct. Iversen, Wells, Lindgren all went for moves on the 'Karlsson corridoor' that would normally have fired them to the front. There was nothing there. There were no excuses with the weather for why the track wasn't prepared correctly. That is no criticism of Birmingham, their riders got stuck in and rode the track well. The reality is though, it all boils down to Iversen, who despite the effort simply did not produce anything near a good enough performance to cover for Tai. I do hope he isn't seriously hurt and is able to ride in the last GP to gain a medal. So it's on to the 2nd leg where the Brummies should see the job through with quite a bit to spare.

Wrong. What Freddie did was choose his line in a race that he was well in front off. Doyle can see what he is doing and change lines accordingly after if he wishes. What Doyle did was assault. Not interested in the points, Wolves haven't a prayer of winning the meeting in the 2nd leg, especially with their utterly inept team manager,

Doyle is a disgrace. Utter disgrace. No other words for it. He should be banned from the 2nd leg.

Indeed he did Jesus played for Spain in the same tournament, indeed there were two of them!

That's your opinion, but you'd be in a very small minority. No weaker for sure. Stronger? No. Both equally as capable of going through the card.

So you agree with Steve Shovlar, but have spent the entire thread arguing against him. Brilliant. Not only that, you attack 'internetman' claiming he got it wrong 'again' by claiming Swindon chose to ride Poole... then Leicester Hunter posts internetman made a fair point and posts the reasons why, you agree with that and say its a good post! Get a grip!

As Alan said this isn't the place to get involved in a debate over 'Jesus'. There is much documented evidence outside of the Bible to support the existence of Jesus. More evidence in fact than there is to support the existence of other luminary historical characters such as Socrates. The rest of the story, miracles, son of God etc, not getting involved on those issues.. that's a matter of faith and nobody can prove it one way or the other anyway. Back on topic.... do we have any updates on Gollobs condition? The walk out seemed to suggest they thought Gollob would be fit to ride in a couple of weeks??

Then direct your post to the person who introduced it to the topic and has subsequently posted a further rambling post about it. My post had nothing to do with religion, simply stating, Jesus existed, before going back on topic.

Steve, once again you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Steve believes Swindon are favored to beat Poole (putting bookies to one side for the moment). He runs a poll to gain a consensus of opinion. You refuse to vote (for no apparent reason) but state you think it will be Wolves V Swindon final. Therefore you favor Swindon to beat Poole. Then you consistently post against Steve's assertation that Swindon are favorites!

To be honest, who cares? Most of us are thoroughlly looking forward to tonights meeting! With regards to the NKI/Tai debate. NKI will match Tai's scoring power, there is little doubt about that. There will also be no lack of effort from him. The only area he may be slightly weaker than Tai is in team riding, which Tai can be superb at. Overall though, there's pretty much nothing in it.