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3 hours ago, chris4gillian said:You've been told many times that other than similar symptoms the flu and Covid act in different ways. That is why one has reduced in numbers and the other hasn't.
When are you going to accept this?
And you've been shown that you are 100% wrong, so it doesn't matter how many times you say it.
As per the CDC.
HOW IT SPREADS
Both COVID-19 and flu can spread from person-to-person, between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet). Both are spread mainly by droplets made when people with the illness (COVID-19 or flu) cough, sneeze, or talk. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
It may be possible that a person can get infected by physical human contact (e.g. shaking hands) or by touching a surface or object that has virus on it and then touching his or her own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes.
Both flu virus and the virus that causes COVID-19 may be spread to others by people before they begin showing symptoms, with very mild symptoms or who never developed symptoms (asymptomatic).
Differences
While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu. This means the virus that causes COVID-19 can quickly and easily spread to a lot of people and result in continuous spreading among people as time progresses.
Meanwhile the WHO tells us:
How are COVID-19 and influenza viruses similar?
Firstly, COVID-19 and influenza viruses have a similar disease presentation. That is, they both cause respiratory disease, which presents as a wide range of illness from asymptomatic or mild through to severe disease and death.Secondly, both viruses are transmitted by contact, droplets and fomites. As a result, the same public health measures, such as hand hygiene and good respiratory etiquette (coughing into your elbow or into a tissue and immediately disposing of the tissue), are important actions all can take to prevent infection.
.......................................................................................................................................So in summary, you are completely and utterly wrong in your assertion that their differences are why the flu/pneumonia numbers have not changed in the past few months, whilst Covid has.
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6 hours ago, iris123 said:Bingo, you got it. That was the point. Delay things so the hospitals wouldn’t be overwhelmed. Flatten the curve was the mantra
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11 minutes ago, East End Fan said:But isn't vaccination the only way out of the Coronavirus horror ? We cannot look at the future without looking at an end to what we have been going through.
And not just medically. Financially we can only get back to normal when people can live normally. How do we do that without a vaccine ? So although there
is an argument for not wishing to take a jab, the arguments in the other direction are IMO overwhelming. Maybe one of those suggesting that they would not
take the vaccine tell us how else do we get back to a normal life ? And MY normal life includes a weekly dose of Speedway..at present totally absent.
What horror? It ended months ago.
It's just the government, scaremongering media and idiots who think everyone is dropping dead still that prolong it.
You've just presented the entire reason why the current restrictions are in place.. not because they are necessary.. but to drive you to a vaccine.-
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1 minute ago, E I Addio said:They didn’t “manage “ to keep Pawlicki at reserve. Coventry didn’t manipulate the rule. Pawlicki was injured for one meeting and apparently needed in Poland , for matches not listed when he signed for Coventry. You must be about the only Coventry fan not moaning about Pawlicki being absent. I don’t think Coventry were manipulating anything, but the Pawlicki situation simply exposed a rule, in fact two rules that needed amending. Fans then started various conspiracy theories.
The rules only needed amending when certain clubs (and mine was one of them) weren't in position to take advantage that season.
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22 minutes ago, Dave Jones said:I think EIA needs a reminder of what was going on around that time.Ford was unhappy that Coventry had managed to keep Shamek at reserve for so long, IMO they used the very same criteria that Ford himself used many times (ie they played Ford at his own game)and he didn't like it .Pawlicki's 16 +1 did for Poole on the second leg meeting and Ford reacted by taking in his firework display, turning off the hot water to the visitors shower room & removing the Champagne from the bar area. Hardly the reaction expected from a mature person.
Then came the sudden rapidly arranged meeting by a select few who connived a change in the conversion factor for lower league riders moving up, effectively screwing up bees deals for two riders already in place. I've seen comments that the teams shouldn't be selected before the AGM but we all know that it was the accepted way of doing things for years ,and probably stilll is now. We also had the re assessment of Pawlicki's average, another very unfair decision.
Despite all the protests to the contrary it seems blatantly obvious that Ford was the Prime Mover in all that went on in the winter of discontent, & to add insult to injury he then proceded to register Kildemand as a poole rider whilst the bees were in the middle of a team shuffle mid season 2011. Kildemand went public and stated that he had no knowledge of his transfer to Poole as he hadn't even spoken to Ford. But it did have the desired effect as it stopped Coventry using him again.Those are just some of the moves of a very underhanded & bitter man.
Spot on.
It was downhill from there for the Elite League, culminating in the closure of one of the sports longest running, most successful and best supported teams.-
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Correct.. the pts limit was not even an issue.
It was Pawlicki.. and the conversion for riders moving up.-
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Was there not also a change in the rules which gave Pawlicki a higher average?
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13 minutes ago, Skodaman said:Because of the precautions taken
Bless.
Sadly, flu/pneumonia figures haven't fallen, in fact they've remained fluctuating around their normal levels..
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1 hour ago, M.D said:The way things are going, I can see a massive impact on next season too with crowds in stadiums..
The bar that has been set means there can never be crowds in stadiums again.
Until the government admits they were wrong.-
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15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:Rubbish. When Poole turned up other clubs had their biggest attendances. That’s a fact.
Success is always viewed with bitterness and jealousy from rival fans and here’s a prime example.
Yes, very jealous of seeing crowds fall year on year with scandal after scandal, almost always involving Poole.
As has been said, you reap what you sew.
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52 minutes ago, E I Addio said:Lakeside were the club that asked the SCB to investigate the claims of Poole cheating in 2009. No other club . So much for rolling over to Poole. Not that it did any good because the investigation was a stitch up, but that’s a different story, not under discussion now. Quite apart from Lakeside, how did he pander to Eastbourne to buy their vote ?
What rule changes were agreed, and which clubs did they benefit ? When were these rule changes agreed ?
Just go back and read the threads at the time.
Ford was the biggest cancer in the sport, hundreds, if not thousands walked away from it in disgust at his actions season upon season.-
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2 hours ago, Dave Jones said:I had it in my mind that it was more about the conversion rate for riders moving up a league which was agreed prior to the AGM at a meeting that Coventry weren't invited to.Consequently that screwed up the bees plans as they had got deals to take two riders from the lower division Kenni Larsen being one (can't recall the other ).
That was one of the reasons yes.
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2 hours ago, E I Addio said:How did he pander to Lakeside and Eastbourne ? Swindon, Belle Vue and Wolves were also opposed to the higher points limit Coventry and Peterboro wanted . Eastbourne had been losing big money for years before 2010,
The claim being made by Toto above is that Ford wanted to “ put Coventry and Peterboro out of business without a care in the world “ . He/she was asked to explain that but hasn’t done so.
Rule changes were agreed to that benefited certain clubs, ones that wouldn't normally have past. It was you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
Lakeside were infamous for rolling over to Poole.-
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44 minutes ago, E I Addio said:Poole didn’t lose the final until 4th October. Before that , in September there was a long interview in Speedway Star with Stuart Douglas about the financial issues that needed to be addressed at the AGM. Whatever input Ford may or may not have had the financial issues were there before Poole lost the Play Offs.
Now you're getting there.
Ford bought the votes he needed by pandering to the likes of Lakeside and Eastbourne.. who basically dragged the sport down and destroyed it.-
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9 minutes ago, Tsunami said:Nearly 50K deaths so far, and you think that it is not deadly. imagine the real death figure if we were told to ignore it and let it run its course.
It's already been admitted the real death figure is lower.
The excess deaths in the UK are now lower than they were for flu in 2017/18.
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On 8/5/2020 at 8:34 AM, arnieg said:I see a whole slew of baseball matches have been cancelled after two large (and unconnected?) outbreaks. Miami Marlins (19 cases) and St Louis Cards (13 cases) are both going to struggle to make up the missed matches.
No prizes for guessing how many of those will end up actually being ill...
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2 minutes ago, lastword said:Call me a pessimist but I can't see the SON going ahead at Belle Vue.
I appreciate that it's a while away but things will have to change dramatically before a sold out grandstand (to say nothing of the standing area) could be tolerated in this country.
(And my family and I have three tickets pinned to my board at home)
You are correct.. although the use of the word 'tolerated' I am unsure of.
What would have to change dramatically is the government. It has nothing to do with the virus. That HAS changed dramatically.. it is now a minor, almost insignificant issue (in the grand scheme of things).
Deaths from viruses are at their lowest level for five years. In other words there hasn't been a safer time to attend a sporting event in the last five years (likely longer but don't have the figures).
By the time October rolls round, deaths will have increased, we're heading into winter. So essentially, if you can't have crowds now... there is no justification that you can EVER have crowds.-
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18 hours ago, Technik said:indiscipline & an I'm all right Jack attitude are the biggest danger to all of our future. it's easy to blame any number of things but when you are advised to stay home how many of us found an excuse to go somewhere we didn't need to be & qualified it with "well it's only once" I'll be OK. Look at our own Prime minister stood outside Number 10 telling the nation to stay indoors, The Queen gave the same advice from her study. Days later Boris is in a Hospital bed but 94 year old Betty from Windsor is doing well.
Yeah, all this indiscipline has caused the deaths to go down and down and down.
Latest official figures, week ending 24th July:
Death Certificate with Covid: 217 (down from 295 previous week)
Death Certificate with flu/pneumona: 1173 (up from previous week).
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3 hours ago, mikebv said:The glaring issue there being guidelines are not complied with by many in the population..
You cant get people to stick to speed limits clearly sign posted so you've no chance to get them to follow 'self responsibility' guidelines..
"Not going to happen to me/I will be fine/These rules are for others, not me" is the mantra of many...
And you also have to consider that many in the country are inherently thick so dont even understand what is going on around them..
Hence beaches are crammed full when the sun comes out, shops still have people entering without masks, and pubs are full of people sat next to each other when the "beer kicks in" and their worries and inhibitions are lost..
Whilst all this exists, the virus will always find a receptive host..
Incorrect again.
The deaths involving flu/pneuomonia have continued along their normal levels. There has been no dramatic drop (barely a drop at all) regardless of all the restrictions... whilst Covid deaths have plummeted.
Had these restrictions been as effective as is claimed, flu/pneumonia deaths would have fallen as well. It is a virus that transmits in exactly the same way.. but we are told, not as easily!
Week Ending July 17th, death certificates involving Covid were 295... flu/pneumonia was over 1100.
There should be no worries and inhibitions because deaths are at their lowest point in the last five years.
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30 minutes ago, Tsunami said:This is the sort of stupidity that fuels the hotspots currently being forced to lockdown because of their poor behaviour.
Because of their 'poor behaviour'.
Just listen to yourself!
So utterly indoctrinated.
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4 minutes ago, Badge said:But you forget it's not just the spectators, to run a meeting has to have loads of volunteers, which is fine, but speedway being what it is, just take Danny for instance riding for Ipswich and Poole, Monday he and his mechanic are riding for Poole and some oik has the virus, known or unknown, Danny then unknowingly brings it to ipswich and bingo everyone has to self isolate for 14 days. Well some volunteers have jobs, who will pay them whilst they have to self isolate, in my case my son's company would probably have to close as there are only 10 people working and if he has to isolate so would they.
I have no idea what the answer is, but quite frankly there is no way speedway could have started here under the same rules as before, possibly the riders could only ride for the one team, but then you get as now, Leicester and Manchester in lockdown again and that throws the whole thing out.
The answer is people need to start voicing their objection to the ridiculous totalitarian restrictions being put in place.
At a time when less people are dying in the UK than they have in the last five years.-
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It's clearly time football took action as black players are vastly over represented in terms of players in the Premier League.
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26 minutes ago, uk_martin said:If football is anything to go by, all matches are being preceded by the "taking of the knee". Formula 1 is following suite.
If there are any meeting that are going to take place this year (Oct, maybe?) then will there be a requirement for speedway riders to take the knee too? Or haven't the authorities who say that they spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week planning for the resumption of speedway in Britain, thought about this yet?
Because if there's one thing that's for sure, just as in F1, speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity. F1 has announced that it's going to address the problem, will speedway follow?
You're suggesting the sport of speedway is racist?
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Just now, Ben91 said:Not particularly. I made a passing comment about the thread in general and you got your knickers in a twist. I just thought I’d lend you a helping hand. You’re welcome, have a nice day. I wish you well curing this pandemic.
I don't need to do anything, it's doing that job all by itself..
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Corona virus
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He is, as he is wrong and proven so without a single element of doubt.
Or perhaps he knows more than the CDC (Centre for Disease Control and Prevention), ONS (Office of National Statistics), WHO (World Health Organsiation) and every single other medical organisation in the world who state they are transmitted in the same way.